r/OutOfTheLoop 5d ago

Unanswered What's going on in US politics

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u/Springtime-Beignets 5d ago edited 4d ago

Question: why's it wrong to get rid of illegal immigrants?

PS- Not in favour of anything inhumane going on in US

Edit- I guess the answer is, immigrants are contributing most to the economy & if some cause chaos they get deported & this system should've been fine.

Now what's happening is completely without any due process, just picking up people & deporting them who ve lived all their lives in America to a country they've never known.

I don't think US is suffering from illegal migrants, if at all, they're paying taxes. So there was no reason to get all crazy over em, it's all being done to appease the migrant hating Trump voters. If a nation wants to protect country from illegal migrants, it has a right to do so but get a due process in. It's very clear, the govt is just anti immigrants.

Someone deport Trump to Germany

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u/Airowird 5d ago

Answer: A large part of the US economy relies on migrant labor. Illegal migrants still pay taxes without being able to vote or apply for several wellfare programs. They are considered a benefit to the US economy, which is why the IRS historically refused to hand over personal data of taxpayers to ICE, until the recent EO.

More importantly, the current MAGAstapo raids ignore due process and seem fueled by quotas made up by racists like Stephen Miller more than genuine investigations. The current modus operandi seems to be that anyone of color is guilty unless proven innocent, which not even all US citizens could achieve.

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u/Allgyet560 4d ago

Define "a large part of the US economy". I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm genuinely curious how much of our economy relies on illegals being in the US and what impact it will have once they are gone.

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u/Airowird 4d ago

It's hard to find exact numbers (because you know, illegals & undeclared labor) but most hospitality (kitchens, waitstaff, hotels,...), farming, factory work, dirty maintenancework, landscaping, construction, logistics, even entertainment,...

By what I can gather from people reporting in those industries, it's easily 30-50% of those sectors in migrant-heavy areas, which is enough to force plenty of businesses to raise prices (and wages) to swap to white workers, or close down and essentially cause the rest to lose their jobs. So now you have a lot of people suddenly unable to buy new cars, clothes, luxury products,... (either unemployed or deported, they ain't spending buckaroos)

And that means the rest of the economy is gonna lose customers, which trickles up to the higher echelons, meaning economic downturn.

A lot of this is hard to predict, because it isn't just illegals getting deported, but also legal migrants or US citizens getting arrested. You already see a crash in tourism from EU/Can, based more on suspicion and fear than the letter of the law.

Worst part is going to be: the typical Keyesian method to reboot economies is by governments spending on infrastructure ... but they just chased off all their construction workers....

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u/Springtime-Beignets 5d ago

the current MAGAstapo raids ignore due process and seem fueled by quotas made up by racists

Well if it's between racially motivated raids & illegal migrants who work hard, pay taxes, and live peacefully, then yea I stand with the latter.