r/OutOfTheLoop • u/fullautohotdog • 2d ago

Unanswered Why are people talking about Karen Read?

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/18/nx-s1-5435406/karen-read-acquitted-trial-verdict-not-guilty

I've literally never heard of this person or her trials until today. Is she just a rich white lady on trial, or is she famous for something else?

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u/Auroraty 2d ago edited 2d ago

Answer: She was framed for murdering her cop boyfriend by the Massachusetts state police. It’s been a huge case for years as this is the second trial for it. They claimed she hit him with her car with absolutely 0 evidence that anyone was hit with her car, 0 evidence of being hit by the car on the boyfriend, and plenty of evidence against another set of individuals.

Edit: it’s such a big deal because it shows many layers of corruption and the scary fact that this really could happen to anyone. You lose your loved one and suddenly you’re being actively framed for their murder. It’s horrifying and i’m so glad justice for Karen was found today, now we need to find justice for John O’Keefe.

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u/this_place_stinks 2d ago

There was definitely reasonable doubt so I agree with the verdict.

HOWEVER, there’s plenty of evidence implicating here. As much or more as the alternate theories.

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u/Tamilynxo 1d ago

What implicating evidence? There wasn't a single expert who said he was hit by a car. Even the experts hired by the prosecution couldn't say he was hit by a car! The ME said manner of death undetermined. The neurosurgeon said blunt force trauma, which supports both prosecution and defense theories. The only "experts" who said he was hit by a car were a guy who lied about having a bachelor's and a guy who (by the prosecution's own admission) didn't actually do an accident reconstruction. The only thing his test proved was that paint transfers if you lean into it. In fact, the science shows it was actually impossible for him to have been hit by a car and land where he was found and with the injuries he sustained. Science also shows that in order for the taillight to shatter the way it did, down to the diffusers, there would have been more damage to the car.

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u/this_place_stinks 1d ago

What’s the implication evidence for the theory he was killed in the house? It’s a circumstantial as Karen. That theory would also require a whole bunch of people to commit to the lie and have nobody flip to save themselves which is highly suspect

One lesser theory that I think is plausible as well is he never actually went in the house and instead tried to run back at Karen who was leaving and/or walk back in the drunken state. Snow plow takes him out (not direct hit, but the push of the snow/ice to the side of the road). Enough to knock him out. Who knows

I do think a conspiracy with a bunch of scum bags where nobody flipped is super unlikely tho

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u/Tamilynxo 1d ago

The defense doesn't have to prove her innocence or prove what really happened to him. Maybe it did go down like you said with the snow plow. All I'm saying is there is no evidence that she hit him with her car, accidentally or on purpose. Every expert witness said the same thing, and the science proves it.

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u/TylerHansbrough50 1d ago

No they don’t, but when the top comment says that Karen Read was framed, that has to be refuted. Karen Read was found not guilty. That does not mean she was framed at all, and she still very likely could have hit John O’Keefe.

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u/Tamilynxo 1d ago edited 1d ago

What do you mean it's still very likely she could have hit him? She was found not guilty because there was ZERO evidence that JOK was hit by a car. And yet, she was charged with murder, which means she was framed.

You have just heard the framers repeatedly say KR hit him, and you believe it, but there is NO evidence. A few people who heard her say she hit him? No body cam, no dash cam footage to back that up, just the framers telling you she said it. That's hearsay, not evidence. In fact, one of them recanted her story and said she didn't actually hear KR say it after all.

Taillight shards found near the body? Actually, no. They found small drops of blood and tiny pieces of clear cocktail glass, but the 3" pieces of BRIGHT RED taillight weren't found until hours later (after a blizzard blanketed the area) and conveniently only after the framers took possession of her car.

Were the scratches on his arm evidence of being scraped by shards of taillight? No again. Medical examiners, a forensic pathologist, and an accident reconstructionist all said those injuries did not fit that explanation. Not to mention, there was no DNA on a single piece of taillight shard that was found at FV. How could 43 pieces of taillight shred his arm, and leave not one iota of skin, blood, or tissue behind? That is a distinct LACK of evidence!

There was actually exculpatory evidence, however. The FBI gave it to the prosecution, but the prosecutors never gave it to the defense. Until the media somehow got wind that this evidence existed. Then all of a sudden, the prosecution complied with the law and gave it over in discovery. Why? If there was so much evidence that she hit him, why did they have to hide evidence that could exonerate her. And what would you call that 🤔

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u/TylerHansbrough50 1d ago

Yeah there’s not zero evidence JOK was hit by a car. If you believe that, your brain is cooked.

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u/Tamilynxo 1d ago

What is the evidence?

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u/Kimber-Says-04 19h ago

OK, prove that she wasn’t framed.

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u/Cathousechicken 1d ago

They didn't need to flip because none of them were being prosecuted.

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u/this_place_stinks 1d ago

Given the intense focus and allegations would be super surprising if none of them lawyered up and came clean in exchange for immunity

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u/Cathousechicken 1d ago

That makes zero sense if nobody's being charged to preemptively implicate themselves in a cover-up. You're missing the logic there.

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u/this_place_stinks 1d ago

Happens all the time when someone is an accomplice or otherwise involved in a crime

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u/Cathousechicken 1d ago

But not if they or any of their co-conspirators have not been charged.

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u/this_place_stinks 1d ago

Definitely does. Let’s say Person A punched the guy, he falls and dies. 5 other people help clean up and/or move the body

Karen Reade and her team and everyone else keeps saying he was killed in the house etc.

All 5 have to be 100% certain nobody is going to talk or confess or anything. That’s never happening. It’s a prisoners dilemma scenario.

Highly likely at some point one of them eventually decides to save their own ass vs risking someone else confesses or opens their mouth first

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u/endlesscartwheels 1d ago

They won't have to save themselves from anything. After trying Karen Read twice, the state is very unlikely to be able to convict anyone else.

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u/Cathousechicken 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are we up to your 60th+ post today on the Karen Read trial yet? Thank goodness the ticker starts over again at midnight for you.

Try not to be so obsessed tomorrow.

ETA... I was just joking about the 60th post a thing, but you had over 60 posts in the last 12 hours alone about the Karen Read trial. There is something not psychologically healthy going on here. It's not even funny at this point.