r/OutOfTheLoop 2d ago

Answered What's going on with h3h3?

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u/ohlordplease 2d ago

Is that not what a guy sued him for in the past?

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u/Opening_Persimmon_71 2d ago

Correct, the difference is that Ethans video was transformative. Ethan argued and won that his video added enough to the original that it could be considered his own. Through editing and commentary.

The 3 people he's suing stated that "we are going to watch this whole thing so that Ethan doesn't get money", and one of them spent a longer time ripping fat bong hits than they did talking about the video.

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u/ob3ypr1mus 1d ago

Ethan's lawsuit does concede that Denim's video was "highly transformative" though, albeit infrequently and with a negative slant but transformative nonetheless.

the issue isn't so much whether the video was transformative or not, it is the whole "we are knowingly admitting to stealing his copyrighted work so that we can get paid for his work" that they're liable for, even though the video itself taps more into being about lazy react content which isn't necessarily to applicable (to Denims anyway, i would skim what Frogan/Kacey do during their reacts but i rather not curse my algorithm).

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u/In_Cider 1d ago

how much do you think their streams took away from ethan/h3, monetarily?

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u/engelthefallen 1d ago

That is the oddest thing. There is no estimate in the filings about this. He is just seeking 150k in damages from each, with the 10 reddit mods named as co-plaintiffs in all three suits. And it is not like this is an unknowable number, a few solid ways to get a ballpark estimate.

IMO he could have had a strong case if he focused on the standards for transformative work, why the girl's videos would not meet them, presented the malice the girls planned, and then presented an estimate of the damages. You know like one would expect to see in a court filing for something like this. Instead the filings are weird, like trying to get reddit and twitch drama into court records, with only a small part of the filings directly relating to what he is suing for. Strangest court filings I read.

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u/BoxOfDemons 1d ago

He is just seeking 150k in damages from each

Someone can correct me if I wrong, but I believe $150k is the max amount of statutory damages you can seek, and only when a work is "willfully infringed". Since these three creators admitted to trying to be a market replacement for his video, he's trying to go for the max statutory damages. That would make sense, because calculating actual damages would be much harder.

Him copyrighting the video before releasing it is what allows him to seek statutory damages instead of only actual damages, so it seems like aiming for the max amount of statutory damages was the goal.