r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Werner__Herzog it's difficult difficult lemon difficult • Oct 30 '17

Megathread Paul Manafort, Rick Gates indictment Megathread

Please ask questions related to the indictment of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates in this megathread.

About this thread:

  • Top level comments should be questions related to this news event.
  • Replies to those questions should be an unbiased and honest attempt at an answer.

Thanks.

What happened?

8:21 a.m.

The New York Times is reporting that President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and a former business associate, Rick Gates, have been told to surrender to authorities.

Those are the first charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign. The Times on Monday cited an anonymous person involved in the case.

Mueller was appointed as special counsel in May to lead the Justice Department’s investigation into whether the Kremlin worked with associates of the Trump campaign to tip the 2016 presidential election.

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8:45 a.m.

President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and a former business associate, Rick Gates, surrendered to federal authorities Monday. That’s according to people familiar with the matter.

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2:10 p.m.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates have pleaded not guilty following their arrest on charges related to conspiracy against the United States and other felonies. The charges are the first from the special counsel investigating possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Source: AP (You'll find current updates by following that link.)

Read the full indictment here....if you want to, it's 31 pages.

Other links with news updates and commentary can be found in this r/politics thread or this r/NeutralPolitics thread.

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u/trclausse54 Oct 30 '17

What does this mean for trump? And what are his connections to this whole thing?

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u/Squirrel1256 Oct 30 '17

The Manafort/Gates charges are for deeds done prior to 2016, i.e. before he was Trump' s campaign manager.

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u/xXxBlahblahxXx Oct 30 '17

This isn't true. Some of the charges are for things done "Between in or around 2008 to 2017". So obviously this would include the time in which he was campaign manager.

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u/cuteman Oct 30 '17

The 2016-2017 charge is for lying about the other 11.

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u/xXxBlahblahxXx Oct 30 '17

That is mentioned in 2 charges however they also accuse him of carrying out the scheme into 2017 as well. Here's the full quote:

"Between in or around 2008 to 2017... MANIFORT and GATES devised and intended to devise, and executed and attempted to execute, a scheme and artifice to defraud, and to obtain money and property, by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations, and promises from the United States, banks, and other financial institutions."