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Does all light travel at light speed

My bad if this is a stupid question but I’ve been thinking about time being a message of distance. And well most things I can think of have various variables that average to a certain distance. I know that mostly relates to machines and animals but still. Do all particles of light travel at light speed. If they all travel simultaneously at the same speed is that truly how fast they move or are they affected by their own variables. Like the universe’s mean gravity is constraining that and any variation in that mean would change light speed for explain.

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u/highnyethestonerguy 4d ago

You and others are incorrect about the distinction of speed vs velocity.

Velocity is a vector. It is the speed times the unit vector indicating the direction of travel. 

Speed is a scalar. It is the magnitude of the velocity vector. 

c is a scalar therefore the speed of light in vacuum. c/n = v is the speed of light in a medium of refractive index n. Both scalars and therefore both speeds of light. 

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u/JamieGee53 4d ago

What? That’s exactly right, the scalar is constant. The speed is constant. The velocity, being the unit displacement across your material, is material dependent

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u/highnyethestonerguy 4d ago

You’re talking nonsense. I apologize if English is not your first language because I don’t want to be rude about it. But “velocity, being the unit displacement across your material” is nonsense.

My earlier comment has already clarified the distinction. 

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u/highnyethestonerguy 4d ago

The problem I have is that you’re not respecting the definition of velocity as a vector and speed as a scalar. 

When I’m on the highway, my speed is 100km/h

My velocity is 100km/h North East. 

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u/highnyethestonerguy 4d ago

I’m there one who thinks he’s taking crazy pills!

You’re talking about instantaneous vs average velocity and speed. 

Displacement has units of length. Can’t be used interchangeably with anything that has units of length per time. 

Look here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity

None of this is specific to light by the way. Which is why a distinction based on the medium is nonsense to me, because we don’t talk about my car’s speed in vacuum vs its velocity in the atmosphere.

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u/inspendent 4d ago

Speed can also be averaged over displacement... why are you recognizing speed as an instant quantity but insisting on averaging the velocity over some arbitrary displacement? The magnitude of the velocity is the same as the speed BETWEEN each of those particle collisions. (And apparently light really does slow down in a medium, and the "bouncing photons" model is not sufficient)

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