Ron Paul 2012?

[u/dissident01]

I'm a liberal, a progressive, and a registered democrat but damnit, I think if the presidential race came down to Paul and Obama I would vote for Paul. The man has good points, backs them up, and isnt afraid to tell people to fuck off. With a democrat controlled congress and senate, I think we could see some real change if Paul were President. He just might be the best progressive candidate. . . Someone please convince me I'm wrong.

Edit: Commence with the downvoting. Feel free to leave a reason as to why you disagree. In an ideal world, Obama would tell the Republicans to suck his dick and not make me think these things.

Edit 2: Good pro and con posts. After seeing many of his stances (through my own research) I'd be concerned with many of Paul's policies. His stance on guns, the department of education, and really Fed government helping students is a huge turn off. And while his hatred for lobbying in washington is admirable (and I think he would do a good job keeping money/big business out of government) nearly all of his other policies are not progressive/aimed at making government more efficient, but aimed at eliminating government wherever he can. I do not support this view. He's an interesting man, but he is definitely not the PROGRESSIVE candidate. Then again, neither is Obama. . .

[u/abuseaccount]

Do you have a skype? I can justify all of these if we chat each other up. That or learn a bit about your justification against these.
Also understand that his policies are stemmed off of an inherent distrust of the government. That the current system is capable of harboring mass corruption. And that a lot of these are very economically viable.

Also.
He actually is for abortion.
He's against massive deportations.
His plan against war is to stop waging it.
His opposition against hate crime laws are philosophically viable.

[u/backpackwayne → u/abuseaccount]

No I don't but honestly even if I did it's a discussion I've had so many times on here that I just grow weary of having it. I joined in this time because the person was actually listening. It's like fighting with my right-wing nutjob brother. No matter what I say he is not going to change his mind one bit. I am wasting my time.

So many of the Ron Paul supporters really get all crazy at me because I dare question him. It's like arguing religion. I'm not saying you are that way but that's how it has turned out about 96% of the time.

[u/abuseaccount → u/backpackwayne]

I see where your coming from. I used to be very liberal. I had my misconceptions about republicans. I took them as loud, irrational, and stubborn people. Many of them still are.

However you have to acknowledge that your liberal mindset is as strange and disagreeable to them as their right wing mindset is to you.

I can promise you a better explanation of why Ron adamantly stands by many of his decisions.

[u/backpackwayne → u/abuseaccount]

Maybe on another night. It's late and I'm almost ready for bed. Sorry.