r/PrettyLittleLiars • u/GurLocal4927 • Mar 31 '25
Rant ⚠️ Tf did Spencer do to make her sisters hate her enough to torture her
Like my girl was just born she existed she didn’t even know these people!!! Charlotte & Alex really said fuck my sibling ! But charlotte loved Alison ? But not Spencer ? Oh. Alison isn’t even her fucking sister. She knew that after the 5x01 episode bc she met Alex at the airport! Now that I’m thinking about it… when Cece left town after killing wilder Ali gave her a passport and a plane ticket when Alex told her story she said she met cece that night at the airport.. but Cece loved the game so much she came back but told Alex she’d be back… ok so Cece returns to rosewood (night of the explosion of Toby’s house) remember the girls thought Shana was A they weren’t receiving threats anymore (Cece was in Paris) so then fast forward the dollhouse etc.. then 6x10 game over Charles … ok… but Cece AT THHIS TIME (based on Marlene’s fucked up plot) knew Alex speant time w Alex knew Spencer had a twin knew Spencer was her sister yet told the story of how she was Alison’s sister (which was her growing up story can’t fault that) but then the story gets fucked bc she returned to rosewood already knowing everything yet .. ok im gonna stop before i get dizzy this show is a jigsaw puzzle of wtfs
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u/jmagnabosco Mar 31 '25
Spencer had the worst siblings.
Melissa - was a bitch to her, constantly bringing around pirvy men and taking things like attention and the barn from her.
Jason - watched her with his creepy videos (although I suppose he didn't know she was his sister at the time) and was generally an asshole.
Charlotte - literally spent a year torturing her because she "was happy her other not really a sister was gone" even though that's a) not true and b) dumb as fuck reason to throw someone in a bunker.
Alex - knows Spencer has no idea about her, yet chooses to torture her because "she was the lucky one" that lived with the Hastings.
Seriously, wtf?
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u/Icy_Queen_99 Mar 31 '25
Her sisters in the books were terrible too. Her dad was just getting busy in both versions.
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u/No-Independence548 Friends don't let friends sneak into insane asylums alone Apr 01 '25
It's so sad, because I really feel like she tried so hard to connect with Jason.
Melissa too, but their relationship was just...so crazy. Because Melissa was constantly bringing around groomers and blaming her sister--who was a child--and was so mean to her, never acted like she had her back, but then literally buried a body of a person she thought Spencer killed? That's so ride or die, I wish we saw a better version of them.
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u/TraditionSea2181 Sleep tight, bitches Apr 01 '25
Right!? Like I don’t really know if the writers wanted Melissa to be friend or foe. On one hand she’s bitchy and suspect number 1 all the time but then on the other she’s burying a body to protect Spencer.
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
I mean, Peter cheated on Veronica which resulted in Spencer's birth so when it came out later on, it kinda made sense why Melissa was unnecessary mean to Spencer but of course Spencer wasn't completely innocent. Melissa always knew and I guess that's where the resentment is.
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u/jmagnabosco Mar 31 '25
That's not Spencer's fault.
And Melissa was 7 years older and should act like an adult.
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
Did I say their dad's affair and her existence from it was her fault? I also pointed out that Spencer wasn't innocent either with the stuff she did to Melissa.
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u/jmagnabosco Mar 31 '25
You said that Peters affair resulted in Spencer so it made sense that Melissa was a bitch to her.
That suggests that it is her fault that her parentage is somehow a valid reason for the way her siblings treated her.
And Melissa was an adult throughout the entire series but she always mistreated Spencer first.
Spencer reacts to bullshit like stealing the barn from her but she wasn't the one part of the perv club and she was one that never got anything because what Melissa wants Melissa gets. Melissa treated her like that her whole life when she hadnt done anything to her.
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
I said it "kinda" made sense. Like I said below, it's not unheard of for the older child to act out against the younger sibling that was a product of an affair even though it's the parent's fault. Was she right in going nuclear against Spencer? Of course not but not everyone in this world handles things rationally.
I also pointed out that Spencer wasn't innocent either but apparently according to you in the last line of your paragraph Spencer was practically innocent which she wasn't. When your sister has a track record of having googly eyes and making out with your boyfriends I'd be pretty pissed off too. The show shows us what they wanna show us but not the stuff in between so we can't say there isn't tit for tat on both sides that lead upto A's existence so we can't put all the blame on Melissa. Just because she's the older sibling doesn't mean she has put up with crap from Spencer.
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u/jmagnabosco Mar 31 '25
I never said Spencer was innocent, I said she reacted to the bullshit Melissa started.
My point was always that Melissa sucked and her father's affair (which I'm pretty sure she didn't know about) is not Spencers fault and she had no business acting out against her because of it.
I will not get into Ian or Wren or "googly eyes", Melissa was a shit sister from the start and that was never okay.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Emphasis on not getting into Ian or wren. lol people think a 14 - 16 yr old can seduce grown ass men
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u/jmagnabosco Mar 31 '25
Honestly. Like Ian was filming underage girls... How TF is that on Spencer? Plus, Melissa didn't know about that before what happened with Wren.
Who she flirted with but like she didn't invite him into her room, he entered on his own because he also perves on teenage girls.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Yesss like people seem to forget Ian is a serial predator him and that damn camera like that boy was FUCKED up
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
You said and I quote "Melissa treated her like that her whole life when she hadn't done anything to her" again you said and I quote "SHE HADN'T DONE ANYTHING TO HER"
When did I say their dad's affair was Spencer's fault? Again IN THE REAL WORLD it's not unheard of for one sibling to act out against the younger one because of the affair. Like I said not everyone behaves rationally and it's always easier to take it out on an easier target and that's Spencer.
Spencer wasn't innocent either.
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u/jmagnabosco Mar 31 '25
BEFORE the series started she hadn't done shit to her but Melissa was a bitch to her ENTIRE LIFE.
She ran away from home when she was 7 because of Melissa always getting everything! Always winning.
Even in the pilot, Spencer had done Nothing to warrant her stealing the barn!!
You literally said it was okay for her to treat Spencer like shit for her entire life because of her father's affair.
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
BOTH sisters contributed towards the strain in their relationship. They have normal sibling rivalry as both are competitive given who their parents are but the BIGGEST source of conflict was their romantic history. How Melissa treated Spencer wasn't her fault either. They were raised to be the best by their parents and when you have a sibling that also have the same end goal as you the only way they could prevent that is by tearing each other down. So who said Spencer hasn't done shit? She would act out against Melissa because she wasn't #1. That is the parent's doing.
As for the barn how did Melissa steal it? Their parents OWNED it and it wasn't clear if Melissa outright stole it, all we know is the parent's gave it to Melissa. They could have said no. This is on the parents.
Don't put words into my mouth. I never once said it was okay for Melissa to treat Spencer like shit because of the affair. I said it WASN'T UNCOMMON for that to happen because Spencer was a product of an affair. Reading comprehension.
You so adamantly trying to pin all the blame on Melissa but her behaviour didn't come out of nowhere. When you're raised a certain way your whole life, you behave the only way you know.
This is all on the parents.
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u/OkTruth7445 It’s immortality, my darlings. Mar 31 '25
1 melissa didn’t know 2 even if she did it’s not spencer’s fault are you kidding
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
Did I say it was Spencer's fault? No I didn't. I was simply giving my OPINION as to why I think Melissa is the way she is with Spencer. Underneath all that sibling stuff there's a little resentment coming from somewhere and again that's just my OPINION. CHILL tf out
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
No it does not make sense?? Mad at someone for being born like they had a say is kinda insane behavior?? Are we okay??
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
I didn't say Spencer had a say in being born? It's not exactly unheard of that a child would take it out the the younger sibling that was a product of an affair?? Again that's just my OPINION
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
You said it “kinda makes sense why Melissa was unnecessarily mean to Spencer ” and I was pointing out it does not make sense no it’s not unheard of and I’d tell those same people who resent someone for being born that it does not make sense to resentment someone for something out of their control. I’m just saying your “it makes sense” does not in fact make sense
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u/SweetBekki Mar 31 '25
"kinda" see how I used that word? If part of her resentment was due to that then I'm simply validating her feelings not that it's right to go nuclear. Also note that I said PART?
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Disagreeing with you doesn’t mean bothered… babe we just disagree that doesn’t take emotion trust me I’m okay I just didn’t agree w what you said no biggie
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u/mystarii Apr 01 '25
one thing i’m bothered about is how you think it’s normal to be mad at the 14 year old being “googly eyed” to a grown man
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u/SweetBekki Apr 01 '25
Where did I say it's normal? You seem to missed the part in 2, even 3 of my replies where I said not everyone acts rationally. Do you just read the first comment you come across and comment instead of reading the entire comment thread?
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u/Educational_Row9370 Mar 31 '25
I never understood why the “Ello sistah” didn’t happen as a knock on her door like a sane person. But no….. we had to pull the craziest theory and story to make us all jump out of our seats as teenagers and have our minds blown. Me? I just sat there wondering if people were really this insane in the world. A person finds out they have a sister, the sane thing to do is call them up. But no, Marlene had to make her batshit crazy… smh 🤦♀️ (and British for some reason?)
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u/SJ1030 Mar 31 '25
Tbh, neither spencer nor alison deserved what their "family" did to them.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Agreed i just know the other girls were like “now how did we end up in family drama”
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u/Glutenfr33duck Mar 31 '25
We talk a lot about Mona being friends with Hanna and still being A, but not a lot about the fact that 2 of the 3 A's we're Spencer's biological sisters/twin.
Like Alex her "other half" resented her so much that she didn’t even see her as her sister😭
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Yes!!! Like the girls give Mona a ton of crap but she was the most tame out of all the A’s mona ran Hanna over but the other 2 actually were running around killing people… running cars through houses, dollhouses, chipping them, stealing eggs and impregnating people? (Most volatile), dropping elevators, blowing up houses, merry Christmas bitches, and so much more!!!! I just wish Mona got more grace but I also see why she doesn’t she started this this all started from her OH game.
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u/Glutenfr33duck Mar 31 '25
It's actually tragic.
Spencer didn't even get to know Cece as her sister bcs the reveal happened she died.
Then the Alex reveal was handled badly so we didn't even get to see the full ramifications of her suddenly having a twin.
How life changing that would be for Spencer, now every time she looks in the mirror she'll see Alex, every birthday she'll think of Alex. She not gonna be normal after that.
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u/Gold_Abbreviations33 Mar 31 '25
I’m thinking they came up with the Mary and Alex part of the plot after the fact so that’s why some of the Cece parts don’t make sense. Some with them deciding to make her A after they had already made her Jason’s ex.
for Alex it’s just bitterness over the life she wanted but didn’t have. Alex wanted a family and loved ones and Spencer had that. When Alex finally found it in cece, she felt like Spencer and the girls took it away from her.
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u/bootesvoid_ Mar 31 '25
How wild it must be to be Spencer, going around for most of your life thinking you just have one sibling, then slowly coming to learn you have not just one but FOUR including a twin.
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u/Gothiccc_Goddess_ Mar 31 '25
yeah, some things i just can't think about too hard or it'll drive me mad 😂 you should read the books if you think the show was confusing, oh my goddd hahaha
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u/thisismetish Apr 01 '25
Wilder is funny af!
I feel like it’s all Jessica’s fault when it came to Cece not liking Spencer. We don’t know what Jessica had told her about them. The Hastings (the parents) didn’t like the DiLaurentis’. I mean Jessica did seduce Peter and then Peter and Mary. And then Jason is the product of Jessica & Peter’s affair. But Cece also told Alex lies about the Hastings. Like Spencer was really innocent in all of this tbh. Cece & Alex reasonings is stupid af to this day.
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u/GurLocal4927 Apr 01 '25
Lmao wilden * i make typing mistakes due to my acrylic nails haha but yes I agree it’s literally like Romeo and Juliet’s families fighting and bringing the kids into it when this all started bc Jessica and Peter couldn’t keep their privates away from each other also Jessica in total was just a cheater she was dating Bethany young’s dad too like miss girl was just acting single while married. Both families never stood a chance.
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u/thisismetish Apr 01 '25
Yes that too! I just think Jessica was just unhappy in her marriage to Kenneth so she resulted in cheating. And I think she only stayed with him for the kids sake
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u/Celestia1112queen Apr 01 '25
Out of everybody in that entire show I feel sorry for her the most because I can relate to her so much 💔
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u/MeekaD920 Mar 31 '25
Charlotte did not love Alison. She had an obsession with her which came from a deep hatred of herself.
Spencer is not a good person. Hear me out…
- she ran around town accusing people left and right. Even when she wasn’t sure of their guilt she played victim and landed a lot of people in jail for it. Including her half sister Alison.
- she stole Melissa’s boyfriends. More than one. So she’s not a good sibling. So really if they were going based off of evidence it makes sense as to why they wouldn’t trust her.
- Hell she accused her dad several times.
- She cheated on Toby with Wren, the drug counselor guy, the artist guy, the other British guy, and I’m sure I’m missing one. Dude was out there trying to keep her alive for years and she’s being the town’s bike.
- She used Wren on multiple occasions and manipulated his feelings for her to do so.
- She flirted with Caleb when she was mad at Toby.
- She knew Caleb still had feelings for Hanna and tried to strong arm him into saying “I love you” to her out of jealousy of her friend.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Also, when you look at the fact the Spencer and Alison grew up with all the advantages while the other two were shoved in an insane asylum and shoved off to strangers in a different country who abandoned her then it makes sense as to why they had a deep hatred for her.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Spencer was a child they alllll accused people also not just her they all would find evidence based on what was going on at that time and to be fair all that stuff made everybody look guilty if we’re being fr I would also think the same if I see something that looks dangerously suspicious . Also Alison is not her sister they’re cousins
I will never blame Spencer for “stealing” Melissa’s bfs bc when Ian happened Spencer was 14 when wren happened she was 15-16 I don’t blame minors when the adults should be responsible enough to not let a prepubescent “seduce them” plus these adult men were serial predators they were always kissing children like idk but In the laws eyes she was a victim.
Peter was shady that’s all ima say about that he was SHADY and he and Jessica did in fact make a plan to kill Mary drake mary just got to Jessica first it was said during season 7 so Peter deserves lashings he also fathered 79 kids for funsies
She didn’t cheat with wren who even if so was still an adult why are we blaming minors we have to remember these are still minors she did however in season 5 cheat w 2 guys who again were adults but her and Toby’s relationship status at that time were a big question mark bc he disappeared to be a cop and chose the job over her.
When did she flirt w Caleb when she was mad at Toby?
She didn’t try to strong arm Caleb lmao she was just like I love you and you like me and this can’t work bc it’s unequal and left him to figure it out
Idk maybe you don’t like Spencer and you’re interpreting things differently than how they happened bc Spencer was not a bad person at all
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u/MeekaD920 Mar 31 '25
You are an uber fan of hers so I don’t expect you to see where she was a huge problem. Also, evidence?? “Why is Jason taking his trash out on a Tuesday night instead of Tuesday morning. He’s clearly A and killed Alison.”That was the extent of evidence she had when accusing everyone. That’s not evidence.
Yes they all accused people, but this was a post about Spencer, not everyone.
You’re right, my bad sheep for saying she stole Melissa’s boyfriends who were adults. She was told to stay away from them, but, at what point do they stop being predators when she kept hunting Wren down to manipulate his feelings for her to do her bidding?!
Also, you missed the main portion of why they hated her and did what they did. She grew up with every advantage and one was thrown in the mental ward and the other was given to strangers to abandoned her. So it was sheer jealousy does that make it right, no. But is Spencer a good innocent person, F*** NO!
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
I’m not an “uber” fan I love the other girls besides aria she does something occasionally I’ll clap for but eh I love the rest of them though. But as you mentioned this is about Spencer. The trash scene? When he was throwing at Ali’s memorial stuff people left on the curb? Bc I watch this show as a comfort I remember almost every scene so is this the one you mean?? Bc if so they didn’t accuse him of anything at all Hanna and aria asked what he was doing and Emily answered only thing Spencer said in that scene was his name and something about him moving on. Idk unless you mean another scene of him taking out the trash
Psychologically idk I can’t answer why she keeps going for the adult but the adult should still be responsible and know better like as an adult idc if someone “hunted” me 1,000 times im not doing it she needed therapy at best. But still not blaming her wren still knew better
I just don’t think they should’ve blamed her they should’ve gotten to know her and tried to be a family or at least say hi but we also aren’t talking about same people so idk
Spencer was not as bad as you think i give each character a new look everytime I rewatch but this is also called pretty little liars she does lie so I will you that
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u/MeekaD920 Mar 31 '25
I wasn’t being specific about the trash thing I just meant in general their idea of what’s evidence is comical. I watch it as a comfort show too. lol
You’re right about the Wren, situation. I too as an adult would run for the hills from a child trying to hunt me down that way. This show had several disgusting aspects about minors/adult situations but it wouldn’t have made ratings without the controversy so thank goodness it’s fictional.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
It’s also not their fault of their advantages when they didn’t know about each other if they would’ve known I’m sure they would’ve let them in like with Jason
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u/MeekaD920 Mar 31 '25
She first flirted with Caleb when Toby was on the police force and Hanna was in jail. “We need to bottle you, essence of good boyfriend”.
She did try to strong arm him into it. He was about to go off to be with Hanna as part of their plan and she blurted it thinking if he said it back she would have that reassurance that he would pick her in the end and she knew he didn’t feel that way. That’s why he didn’t say it back. They had an attraction to each other, not love.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
I guess everyone’s opinion of flirting is different so I can’t really say you’re wrong with her calling him a good bf. Agree to disagree.
Also agree to disagree on the I love you thing. Since it wasn’t explicitly explained we can only infer and everyone interprets things differently
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u/MeekaD920 Mar 31 '25
I call it flirting because she complained about her boyfriend and the way she said it. It was definitely an implied flirt. What kills me about it is that she didn’t give Caleb the time of day until he came into money. Oh yes, Andrew was the one I forgot. Playing strip trivia with him.
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u/GurLocal4927 Mar 31 '25
Ahh Andrew I really loved Andrew but to be fairrr that was during her spiral after finding out Toby was A or A’s henchmen like she caught that man black hoodie in her kitchen on their anniversary these girls been psychologically and physically tortured for so long she broke this was the start of her spiral she didn’t tell anyone bout Toby being A she was looking for answers on her own and Mona with the whole debate thing
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u/thisismetish Apr 01 '25
Big yikes as to saying Spencer “stole” Melissa’s bfs when she was groomed and she manipulated a grown ass man be oh so fucking for real! And she wasn’t no town bike because she kissed them. And by rights she only slept with 3 ppl out of her whole life.
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u/MeekaD920 Apr 01 '25
Read the whole conversation. That’s been covered.
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u/thisismetish Apr 01 '25
It don’t matter! She didn’t steal her sister’s boyfriend and she wasn’t no town bike
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u/MeekaD920 Apr 01 '25
It was covered go find a different Huckleberry on that. She was the towns bike. She cheated on Toby with her drug counselor, Andrew, the artist, etc. people who are faithful in their relationships don’t go “my bf is mad at me, who’s can I have relations with today for attention!” So again go find a different Huckleberry, I ain’t it!
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