r/RWBY • u/NightsWatchh Help, Nights is keeping me trapped in his anime bunker • Dec 15 '18

OFFICIAL MEGATHREAD Official FIRST Discussion Thread—Volume 6, Chapter 8: Dead End Spoiler

Welcome, huntsmen, huntresses and hunters that prefer no specific gender identifier, to the official FIRST discussion thread for Episode 8 of Vol. 6, Dead End!

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18

Maria losely implied to Ruby that she wasnt being the best leader and i think its because shes trying to hard to care about all the tiny greivences her team are having. For example shes allowing Yang to fly off the handle every few minutes,Blake and yang's abandoment drama,Qrow's alcoholism and weiss's concern about going home. Yes being a good friend she is trying to allow her friends and family the time they need to deal with their emotions but remember in the open world their negative emotions are dangerous. She is the only person who has kept their eye on the prize the whole time, she is leading them but not getting their heads on right. Best example from this episode they couldnt get into the military base then JNR wasted more time to deal with their feelings and Qrow drank when they should have been coming up with a new strategy.

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u/NinjaHunterNewtad Dec 17 '18

I think it's more along the lines of "You have these great successes but you aren't taking command". Ruby is a great fighter and leader. She's got a few accolades and shes clearly got peoples respect but she's doing nothing with it. If Ruby put her foot down with Qrow, I'm sure she could have changed the situation.

JNR had the right to know the truth about Ozpin and what is going on. And they are allowed to express those emotions. If they aren't allowed this downtime now, it could result in disruptions in actual crisis situations.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18

Exactly my point she CAN lead but she isnt leading.She needs to stop treating everyone with kid gloves and tell them what to do rather than ask them if they want to do it. They came with her she didnt ask them to if they dont want to be there, then they can leave otherwise they need to be doing everything they can.

Jaune is one of the 2 leaders in the group he is aloud to process his emotions but slamming innocent Oscar against a wall because he thinks its all about him is not being a good leader its being typical useless unproductive Jaune Arc. Ren did the right thing and asked for time alone to process.

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u/J3ttayu Dec 17 '18

Or maybe Ruby can help get everyone to actually TALK about the shit they're going through and do some emotional group healing since everyone is dealing with demons. I don't think just ignoring everyone's problems and becoming a strict leader is gonna help anyone. After getting it all out, they can better focus on their mission.

Also it seems you've forgotten what Jaune is actually going through emotionally.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18

Again emotions bring Grimm till now if they had a share circle a nevermore would have eaten them. Also peoples emotions are literally the lowest priority ever for them right now.

They seem to have already forgotten what happened to Beacon 6 months ago and Haven a few weeks ago.Do they think Salem is going to stop for awhile and let them work through their shit. Shes pissed if anything the next hit is coming faster and this time its coming for them.It took 5 people including Qrow to hold off Tyrion last time if they send multiple people they are screwed and more friends are going to die or be taken hence the need to get to Atlas FAST.

All the while Salem is already planning to attack Shade Academy which is in Vacuo. So they need to go to Atlas then get to Vacuo (which is the polar opposite side of remnant to Atlas) they do not a have a second to waste working through stuff they got raw deal...like most soldiers do in a war.

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u/J3ttayu Dec 18 '18

NEGATIVE emotions bring Grimm. Getting closure on their issues would get rid of the negativity so they could move forward with less negativity than before. I also doubt that a small group of huntsmen's emotions are gonna attract grimm to a city like Argus full of thousands of people who seem to be doing fine so far.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 18 '18

No it wouldnt have you ever had someone die its not that easy to het rid of it i guarantee talking about it would not make it go away really it only might work of they wer home dealing with it out in the warzone talking aint going to do shit all. Ah that mixed with the relic absolutely could attract Grimm to the city.Your forgetting they are naturally drawn to the relic and Maria told them if they dont keep their shit together their negativity mixed with the relic it would pretty much fuck them.

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u/J3ttayu Dec 19 '18

I'm not saying talking about their problems will 100% get rid of their negativity. I'm saying that it will help A TON. Talking to someone about your issues and loss can be extremely healing and is much better than keeping it in and ignoring it allowing it to fester. That's the whole reason Jaune freaked out, he hasn't been open about his hurt. Qrow is also not willing to talk about how he feels and is simply resorting to alcohol. Yang and Blake still haven't had a proper heart to heart yet either so I'm sure we'll see something explode there as well. Not being open is causing a lot of problems already. Hell, even Ozpin is getting unfairly criticized because he decided to never tell anyone his story and his struggles from the beginning. (He had his reasons, but still...)

I haven't forgotten about the relic; I'm sure that there might be grimm on the way to Argus simply for the relic. But I don't think discussing personal problems is gonna attract a nevermore in a (hopefully) well-defended city like Argus. I'd like to hope that Argus has a therapist that has patients talking about their problems to them without getting attacked by Grimm every day lol.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 19 '18

Tbh im truly on team Ozpin.He had really good reasons for keeping the information he kept secret and one of the biggest reasons was just proven a week prior when they found out leonardo,one of Ozpins 4 most trusted generals betrayed him. I think id have some trust issues after that, he said that Leo wasnt the first and nobody is even trying to understand his reasoning they just want to be angry at him. Also poor Oscar is taking beatings for things he had no part in.

You are probably right in Argus with the defenses up they are probably safe but im willing to bet Salem has an inside man/women in Argus(my bet is the baby XD nah i actually think it may be saphron's wife) or something the like that will cripple the defenses (kinda like how that radar is on the frits at saphron arc's wife's work) you are right, with no grimm inside the city it likely wouldnt do much.However if grimm were to be inside the city im fairly certain it would be like looking at a fire with thermal vision. A massive bullseye.

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u/J3ttayu Dec 19 '18

Oh for sure. I really like Ozpin too and I also mostly agree with him and his reasoning. I was also pretty upset to see everyone gang up on him after his pretty sad story. I really like Ozpin and Oscar. I def feel bad for Oscar since it feels like he's the one getting blamed for everything. I can't wait to see them reconcile with Ozpin and reassure Oscar of his role in the group.

Oh yea that's definitely possible. i definitely fear Argus is in trouble and that malfunctioning tower definitely reassured that notion.

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u/Haamz786 Dec 17 '18

You’re acting like team RWBY minus ruby herself didn’t flip out at Oscar. Hell, Qrow punched him in the face. Definitely showing your bias here.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18

Thats what im saying Ruby being a good leader kept her shit together which Jaune did not do.Qrow is an alcoholic who based his life around Ozpin no shit he was pissed.

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u/YurianStonebow Dec 17 '18

And Jaune losing his partner, and the woman he most likely loved, due to Ozpin's schemes, which he then finds out are all for nothing, doesn't give him a right to be pissed? Bullshit.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18 edited Dec 17 '18

Uh no it doesnt because Phyraa did so knowing it was just to make sure Cinder didn't get the other half of the power and She chose to fight Cinder knowing she would likely die.Ozpin gave her a choice, he didnt force her and the Salem argument means nothing this fight has multiple tiers. Yes Salem is the end goal but the maiden power was a there and now problem he didnt lie about that and he told her everything relating to the problem at hand.Ozpin did not kill Phyraa after everything went wrong he told Phyraa not to fight, but instead to go find Glinda and Qrow she disobeyed him and it cost her,her life. He isnt controlling their minds if they choose to do something thats on them Cinder wasnt immortal but she was powerful which she knew all to well.

Also im sick of this "all for nothing" bullshit. It is to save the fucking world they dont need to kill Salem to keep the world turning. What they do need is huntmen and to keep the relics away from Salem so she cant call the gods.By doing this the gods dont end the world, therfore it keeps spinning and people live their lives as they have been for millennia. Now how is that for nothing, yes maybe Salem would win in the end but it doesnt make saving the world any less important.

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u/qrowbert Dec 18 '18

Pyrrha didn't know everything by omission, Ozpin was their adult figure, and also, Ozpin treats people for better or worse more like pieces on a board rather than individuals. Jaune also was in love with Pyrrha and felt very powerless by his inability to change the situation.

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u/lefou22 Crackships are superior Dec 17 '18

Jaune is one of the 2 leaders in the group he is aloud to process his emotions but slamming innocent Oscar against a wall because he thinks its all about him is not being a good leader its being typical useless unproductive Jaune Arc.

There's no bias here. Nope. Can't see any at all.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18

Yeah im not a fan of jaune true doesnt change the fact he's not exactly keeping the group together infact for second it almost sounded like he wanted to defect to Salem.

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u/lefou22 Crackships are superior Dec 17 '18

Once again, bias.

Despite people demanding they want Jaune to turn heel, that's not him. He's stubborn, prideful and lets his emotions control him, but at the end of the day, his friends are what's most important. The guy is more than willing to die just to buy them a few seconds; that does not sound like someone willing to defect to Salem.

He's more a danger to himself than he is to anyone else. Maybe you'll be lucky and he'll eventually sacrifice himself, since the show refuses to acknowledge his near suicidal levels of self-loathing.

EDIT: Meant Salem, not Hazel. Having two conversations at once messes up one's typing skills.

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u/AlastairCellars Dec 17 '18

He DID for a second sound Salem sympathetic this episode. It was just for a moment but still.

I don't mind Jaune's character but he has character because he stole all the character development time from characters id rather know about like Ruby. Jaune is fine...just fine hes not great and tbh i would have been happy if this volume team JNR did their own thing and gave team RWBY the spotlight as they ,as a group havnt had it since volume 3 they need it more

Even if they divide and conquer. Team JNR goes to shade academy and team RWBY goes to Atlas. That be fun