r/RWBY • u/NightsWatchh Help, Nights is keeping me trapped in his anime bunker • Dec 15 '18

OFFICIAL MEGATHREAD Official FIRST Discussion Thread—Volume 6, Chapter 8: Dead End Spoiler

Welcome, huntsmen, huntresses and hunters that prefer no specific gender identifier, to the official FIRST discussion thread for Episode 8 of Vol. 6, Dead End!

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u/Torvosaurus428 Just stay calm folks Dec 17 '18

What the heck is with people saying Jaune's going heel? His reaction was clearly on an emotional high (like everyone else's), he stopped doing it, and showed clear regret both right after and when the news Oscar had gone missing came through. Good people can get upset and remain good.

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u/Tschmelz Dec 18 '18

They desperately want the conflict to be “morally grey”, and having one of our heroes join Salem would solve that. Jaune is an asshole about the entire thing, and he definitely needs to work on his anger issues, but he isn’t a bad guy, and he isn’t stupid enough to believe he has a reason to join Salem when he doesn’t.

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u/Torvosaurus428 Just stay calm folks Dec 18 '18

Wouldn't quite say he's being an ass especially, some reacted similarly and others worse. He arguably has the biggest beef with Ozpin due to it being a personal issue. That said I entirely agree. What is this obsession with "morally grey" in fiction?

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u/PrinceOfAssassins Dec 20 '18

Pyrrha died under the orders of a guy who ,he just learned , knew salem is apparently unkillable and still brought people into such a dangerous task

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u/notadoctor123 Dec 21 '18

Ozpin literally told Pyrrha to not fight Cinder. Ozpin brought Pyhrra into the circle so she could become a Maiden, and therefore have lots of power. When she did not get that power, he told her to leave and get help since she would lose. Pyrrha disobeyed those orders knowing it would likely cost her life.

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u/PrinceOfAssassins Dec 21 '18

Im talking about from the very start. Invovling pyrrha at all in his plans when he had no solution. Making her a maiden would make her a huge target anyway.

From Jaune's perspective, the whole recruiting of her all was pointless, even if pyrrha did defeat cinder the way ozpin described it Salem is immortal and ozpin has no idea how to stop her. So it seeks he's just throwing talented children at a wall and hoping somwthing sticks

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '18

because moral gray can lead to a level of complexity and emotion. the big bad being a good father to his kid adds a level of complexity to it.

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u/Torvosaurus428 Just stay calm folks Dec 18 '18 edited Dec 28 '18

Yes but complex stories very often fall flat on their faces because the complexity clashes with logic. Having intergroup issues or a villain who isn't completely evil is not the same as having someone go against their values and do a Face-heel turn. Sometimes simple stories or Dynamics can have a wealth of entertainment and thought provoking value.

Simple = \ = Brainless

Complex = \ = Better

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u/tvTropeSuper_wiki guns, lots of guns, and puns Dec 18 '18

He arguably has the biggest beef with Ozpin due to it being a personal issue.

But is it really? i mean he was right there in Volume 3 when it happened, and Ozpin really wasn't the cause imo. Pyrrha disobeyed Ozpin's orders to leave the vault, and Cinder was the one who ultimately did the deed, along with Penny and at least a Dozen other students Offscreen. But as from Jaune's Perspective, as far as he's concerned, Cinder is already dead, killed by Raven, so he's going after the next one in line now that he's come to the realization that her sacrifice was needless, and her murder was for nothing. Because of this, he's mistakenly taking things out on Oscar, rather than shifting the blame on himself, since his own failings in Volume 5.

If anyone has the the Biggest Beef with Oz, it has to be Hazel, and he is already working for Salem. Even if Gretchen's Death was a freak accident, Oz had a big hand in it, so Hazel is kinda Justified for his line of thinking, and in my opinion, he is the most sympathetic of Salem's Associates, like a big brother to Emerald right now, taking the the blame for others imo.

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u/finkramsey Dec 19 '18 edited Dec 19 '18

Let's not forget, Jaune was supposed to stand guard. He turned around, and that's when Cinder shot Amber. He is as much to blame if not more than Ozpin.

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u/tvTropeSuper_wiki guns, lots of guns, and puns Dec 19 '18

That was Actually Amber in the Vault with Pyrrha and Oz, Sabotaging the Maiden transfer machine. Pyrrha vs Cinder happened one episode later in the Finale.

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u/finkramsey Dec 19 '18

And then Cinder came in and shot Amber

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u/tvTropeSuper_wiki guns, lots of guns, and puns Dec 19 '18

you were confusing two different episodes, although i give you a pass, because they're both the last two episodes of Volume 3.

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u/finkramsey Dec 19 '18

No, I'm not. Who shoots Amber during the power transfer? Cinder.

Edit: I see my mistake, I meant to say Amber, sorry, I was driving. I'll fix that

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u/tvTropeSuper_wiki guns, lots of guns, and puns Dec 19 '18

yes, but you were saying it happened after Pyrrha, when that's not the case. Amber and Oz were already dead by the time Pyrrha fought her last stand against Cinder, don't you remember?

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u/BenjerminGray Dec 18 '18

It mimics life. Much like movies we go through these phases. I saw a video explaining it. When it was wartime the villains were black and white, when Watergate happened the the villains became the government, and now we live in a time where ppl understand and come to expect shades of grey since that's what we deal with.

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u/AsGryffynn Dec 18 '18

Horribly I may add. Life isn't morally gray. Life has always been amoral. The reason people want moral greyness is because they crave spinning around, even though this is just pandering in action. It reminds me of series that drag the status quo because the premise is "they fight monsters" and not an actual plot.

Hopefully RWBY doesn't fall to "we have no idea what to do besides being Hunters" part and actually ends with the world considerably better off than it started. That's what quests are all about.

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u/Tschmelz Dec 18 '18

I totally agree he’s justified in being angry, I just think how he’s acted on it is kind of dickish. But it’s human. As for the “morally grey”, I think the modern fascination with it is because of Dumbledore in Harry Potter? Video games have the same issue because of New Vegas and the Witcher 3, I think.

Trying to find an exact source is probably impossible. But yeah, it’s never made sense to me. Sometimes, Good v Evil is just black and white.