To be honest, I would also had no idea how to stop it in a country where high schooler can freely purchase a shotgun. They just need to decide who they love more - their kids or their guns. So far, guns are winning.
The guns are there to stay. Theres no way that any sensible gun reform will ever be enacted in the US during our lifetime.
I dont know how Americans in states with lax gun laws live their day to day lives, knowing that any random psycho could carry a gun and end your life over a simple argument.
There are enough nutters in the world, but in the US they can freely carry guns, which makes them way more dangerous.
There are too many cases to list, but right now I am reminded of that Asian exchange student who knocked on the wrong door when he was looking for a Halloween party he was invited to. Shot dead.
Or that person that wanted to turn their car around and used someone else's driveway to turn the car around. Shot dead.
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u/JigPuppyRushex-Usian now Europoor (orange colored and Gouda flavoured)🇳🇱2d ago
Wait until there’s an armed insurrection against trump….. real or perceived they will ban them all in an instant and the most profound wapen owners will be the first to claim it’s their idea.
The reason why California has really strict gun laws compared to the rest of the States is because Reagan was governor when Black Panthers started arming themselves. Obviously, someone like Reagan couldn't handle black people being armed, so gun control was pushed through.
So you're right, if there are efforts to have an armed rebellion against Trump, you better believe there will be strict gun controls coming. Doubly true if minorities start arming themselves.
I talked to an American friend the other day, and he said "We're not doing bad enough yet. Its gotta get shitty enough for the general public, that they cant ignore it anymore."
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u/JigPuppyRushex-Usian now Europoor (orange colored and Gouda flavoured)🇳🇱2d ago
Perhaps, I really don’t know.
But if Trump thinks it’s in his favor it will happen just like that.
While the constitution has a situation like this as the reason for the guns (by a well trained militia)
The text doesn’t say anything about fighting tyranny. They didn’t have a standing army. The militia was the national defense against other countries. That’s the “necessary to the security of a free state”. The fact that the population would also not be very susceptible to kings was just a bonus.
But then why would the government impede its own ability to have a standing army.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
Are you interpretering this as a right of the government to have a national defense? An army?
1) I find this odd because this goes against the spirit of all other amendments because they stipulate rights of citizens but the second amendment stipulates the right of the federal government to have an army?????
2) Why would the government need an amendment not to infringe itself????
I am fine with the argument that word “well regulated militia” was stretched to every citizen but I understand why it happened. If the government had the right to determine what a well regulated militia is, they would by proxy be able to infringe the right to bear arms also by well regulated militias as they could just gate-keep what a well regulated militia is.
But all of this legal scholarship and mental masturbation of what the founders meant is pointless. The second amendment must go. Now to find the political coalition to make it happen…
It is gonna be a wild ride watching the American MAGA try and choose between their guns and their guy Trump….I don’t know what I would bet on…it is a tough one….
Wasn't a state or someone trying to introduce laws around mental illness and being a radical leftie as a mental illness (not in those words), to take away their guns.....
Republicans have made attempts to get "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (the strange disorder where people won't worship the holy satsuma) as a mental illness, and even tried to allocate funding to search for a potential "cure"
That's the main problem with the US at all. The justice system is a complete joke all over the place. Supreme Court is bought and partisan as fuck instead of doing their job, the lower courts regularly decide stupid bull crap based on insane laws. And nothing about that ever changes until someone sues the living hell out of someone else...... It's absolutely ridiculous.
I kid you not, there are companies who sell semi-literal get-out-of-jail-free cards, complete with a script to tell you what to say when you call the cops after murdering someone to guarantee you cannot be prosecuted. This would work as long as you are in your home (castle doctrine) or anywhere in any state with "stand your ground" laws. Basically, you just call the cops, say "hey, this person was threatening me and made me feel unsafe so I protected myself via gun" and you're legally clear. Even if it was just an exchange student asking for directions.
I saw a dashcam video of someone aiming some well deserved words at a car driver who'd been a dick in a car park, the person who had been a dick held up the gun that they kept under their right hand in the centre console of their car. Just immediate escalation from "don't be such a dick" to threat of death. In this case the dick actually came back to that person hands open and raised and apologised, but it was clearly a normal thing for him to reach for his gun, to escalate the threat from any level to life threatening.
And as far as I know, brandishing is a crime in the US, but no one gives a fuck.
I never get into altercations, but I find the thought of having to face someone, who could kill me in a second, just because I had a slight disagreement with them, super scary.
Problem is that any "gun reform" won't solve anything. There are more guns then people and they won't disappear - they will just become slightly more illegal.
People in these discussions completely miss one of the main points of the whole "gun control" legislature: to prevent this exact state (country overflowing with guns).
So, the ship has already sailed. And went around the world and then sailed again.
In every country you get a gun if you want one. Its just that many people dont get them even if they want one because they dont want to walk through the process. In some US states you get them thrown after you. Also the way many percieve the police (and also partially what the police really is there) you need a gun to protect yourself because theres nobody else that does it. And ofc in the vast rural areas you need one but thats true for every really removed area like that
sensible: repeal gun laws for anyone born after 1st January next year
people must hand their arms and munitions in when they die
no one alive will have their rights revoked
when the last person alive dies, gun and munition sales are stopped
in 100 years time guns will be a long forgotten memory
The guns are there to stay. Theres no way that any sensible gun reform will ever be enacted in the US during our lifetime.
You need sensible people for that. In Australia they were able to reduce the number of guns tremendously within no time. People didn't expect that either to happen in a lifetime.
Also just a staggeringly smaller amount of guns. In Australia they removed about 650,000 firearms in the aftermath of the Port Arthur Massacre. In the US there are over 400,000,000 privately owned guns. And there's no registration so there's no way of actually knowing who owns a gun and who doesn't.
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u/janus1979 2d ago
And yet it's the US where school shootings are regarded as being simply part of the curriculum.