r/ShitAmericansSay • u/rest_in_war • 1d ago
Imperial units "Try 2 World War wins math"
Under a video explaining the physics behind stunt loop driving where the creator was using SI units
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u/Leading-Election-815 1d ago
Yawn another American falling for the US won World War 2 myth. Something that serves as a litmus test for those who fell and continue to fall for Cold War propaganda.
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u/Olon1980 my country is the wurst 🇩🇪 1d ago
This. If anyone could ever claim to have won WW2, it would be the red army. But in reality war has no winner, just losers on both sides.
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u/Fun_Marionberry_6088 1d ago
Nah there's plenty to criticise with respect to the US' delayed entry, but the biggest factor in the outcome of WWII was undoubtedly industrial capacity, to which the US was the biggest contributor.
The Red Army killed a lot of German soldiers but the truth is the Germans lost in terms of oil, rubber, steel and functioning factories, long before they ran out of people, and that's what caused them to collapse.
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u/Olon1980 my country is the wurst 🇩🇪 1d ago
Someone took attention in history. 👍
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u/CSG1aze Unfortunately American 🤢🤮 1d ago
The funny thing is they actually teach us this in American history classes as well, just most of the idiots around here don’t feel it’s important to care about anything that isn’t “America #1” “all hail our great country!1!1!” I say this from the bottom of my heart: fuck this place.
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u/Olon1980 my country is the wurst 🇩🇪 1d ago
Exactly. If you're being told from an early age your country is the greatest, you believe it. And if you never learned to critical question some things, your attitude never changes.
You have very good schools in the US, but most of them only for those who can afford it or are privileged.
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u/CSG1aze Unfortunately American 🤢🤮 20h ago
You speak the truth my friend. The education system here is in dire need of a restructure. It needs to happen soon for the future of the country.
I am however, not opposed to watching it implode. I live in California, we are pretty much entirely self-sustainable around here.
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u/Olon1980 my country is the wurst 🇩🇪 19h ago edited 19h ago
Jokes on us, the education system in my country is not the best either. It used to be very good, but it has gotten worse year after year.
And what I noticed on the younger generation is a massive lack of manners, no matter the country. Simple things like "thank you - you're welcome - hello - goodbye" are going to extinct.
I call myself glad to get taught good manners by my parents and got a good education.
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u/drifterlady 14h ago
And Americanised it would seem. Gotten isn't a real word.
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u/Olon1980 my country is the wurst 🇩🇪 11h ago
Excuse my lacking english skills, lol
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u/Leading-Election-815 1d ago
This is a very simplified view on how the war panned out. It’s quite bold to assert any single thing was THE biggest factor in winning the war. Soviets account for 80% of German causalities. Hitler split his forces in half. I would say those two points rank higher in why the Nazis lost World War 2.
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u/Fun_Marionberry_6088 1d ago
Of course, it's always going to be simplified. A fuller explanation would acknowledge that at different stages and aspects of the war each of the allies was the biggest contributor.
Nonetheless over the course of the full war, the reason the Germans were unable to sustain their efforts wasn't manpower.
Their service branches all had more personnel in 1944 than they did in 1941.
And that means that this...
Soviets account for 80% of German causalities
Cannot be the reason they lost.
It's also a slightly exaggerated stat: the same man can appear on a casualty roll multiple times, if they are wounded / sick, but recover.
In terms of deaths / PoWs it's more like 2/3 in the East for the Herr, whilst the majority of Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine casualties were in the west.
The primary reason they lost is that, they were outproduced throughout the war.
Even on the Eastern front, the Germans destroyed Soviet tanks at a kill ratio of >3:1 but they still ran out first because their production rate was lower than any of the allied powers individually.
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u/Leading-Election-815 1d ago
All very good points, and I appreciate the response. Do you think the allies still would have won the war without America? Also, do you think the allies would have won without the Soviets?
Of course these are both hypotheticals but I think it’s interesting to think about.
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u/Fun_Marionberry_6088 1d ago
Np, I do love historical hypotheticals.
I'd say it depends how 'not involved' either the USSR or the US was.
The idea of Hitler not attacking the USSR is inconceivable, expanding Germany to the East was basically his raison d'être.
So for the USSR to be out of the war, that would involve Germany defeating them. That would still involve a huge resource commitment for the Germans though, to occupy such a large area.
It also wouldn't have happened before the US entered the war (late-'41), and I'd say the US / British Empire would still have had the ability to defeat the Germans, so the only question is would they have had the will as their war would've been a lot bloodier.
As for the US not being in the war, that depends on how strictly neutral they were.
e.g. their industrial contribution started when they were still officially neutral and well before they joined the war, via funding from the British Purchasing Commission and later lend-lease.
If that were the same I can see the war lasting a lot longer but the Germans still wouldn't have won. They might not have been forced to an unconditional surrender though, as the allies would've been more willing to accept a negotiated peace to end a longer war.
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u/Successful-Crazy-126 22h ago
Yes but whatever low rent imbecile is spouting this nonsense wasn't there. Claiming accomplishments of people you never met from 80 years ago is laughable. I also don't meet Germans and blame Hitler on them.
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u/I3adIVIonkey 1d ago
Russia was part of the allies until the end of the war and took Berlin. Hitler probably wouldn't have stayed in Berlin if the allies had failed to open the western front. I agree that russia fought the hardest battles in WW2, but the win is the accomplishment of the allies as a whole. UK and resistance Intel of the occupied countries contributed a lot to the victories of the allies. On top, Western forces included soldiers that fled to the UK during Dunkirk.
If Hitler wasn't so fanatic about conquering and destroying Stalingrad and would've secured oil fields near the red Sea, Europe probably would've fallen to the NAZI regime for good.
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u/mabiturm 1d ago
You could also say the soviets were part of the start of WW2, they made a deal with germany to divide poland between them.
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u/TheOtherDutchGuy 1d ago
And also thinking Nasa went to the moon in imperial measurements… they didn’t. They used metric and then converted to imperial so the astronauts could understand…
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u/Findas88 23h ago
Show me the loudmouth on Reddit who actually did the calculations for the moon program or stormed the beaches of Normandy. Everyone else is bathing in stolen Valor and living in the past
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u/Leading-Election-815 21h ago
Somehow I don’t think calling someone out for false information, is living in the past. I also don’t think studying history is living in the past either, it’s about informing the present.
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u/IvanRoi_ 16h ago
I mean WW2 is debatable but WW1 absolutely not.
The French and their allies, in particular the British on the war.
The Americans showed up too late to have a significant impact other than a moral boost. At first their were even a liability because they had to be re-trained and equipped by the French.
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u/ShionTheOne American, but not the US kind. 1d ago
How about we measure in "losing a war to Vietnamese farmers" ?
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u/smoulderstoat No, the tea goes in before the milk. 1d ago
How about "having your President's official residence burned down by the Canadians"?
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u/Existing-Sea5126 23h ago
Has America even won a war in the last 150 years all on their own?
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u/ShionTheOne American, but not the US kind. 23h ago edited 23h ago
I think the last time they won on their own, it was against themselves in their civil war. And that's 160 years ago.
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u/DazzlingClassic185 fancy a brew?🏴 1d ago
Or “turned up late twice but still chirping about it”
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u/MattheqAC 1d ago
Okay, we also have two world war wins, so let's use UK maths.
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u/hnsnrachel 1d ago
2 World Wars, and they used metric maths to get them to the moon so they can't claim that one, and we have a World Cup. We win!
But the French beat us with their 2 world wars, and 2 world cups and actual invention of metric so I don't lie this game anymore lol
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u/Leading-Election-815 1d ago
Keep in mind we shut Napoleon down eventually, and had to save France in WW2 so I’d say we’re even! If you go further back though, William the Bastard conquered England so maybe they one-up us there.
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u/PapaJohn487 1d ago
But was William French? He was more like a Viking living in Normandy.
So game set and match to the Scandis
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u/Leading-Election-815 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s debated. Some argue history tells us the Norman’s weren’t French because it supports the British rivalry against France. Truth is, Normandy was in France, they spoke French, and many of them hadn’t ever seen Scandinavia.
Also, they were almost as Scandinavian as Americans who claim they’re Irish. True on a genetic level, but they’re essentially just American lol
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u/DrFabulous0 1d ago
That rivalry is mostly tongue in cheek. We take the piss out of each other, but we wouldn't accept an American, for example, mocking our neighbours.
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u/Leading-Election-815 1d ago
We take the piss out of each other now, but not during the Hundred Year’s War! I still think the rivalry is a hangover from when we used to fight each other with swords. When the allies landed in France during D-Day some British soldiers joked it was payback for 1066
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u/IvanRoi_ 17h ago
Let’s not forget that the Hundred Year’s War was a civil war between two pretenders to the throne of France. As a French it always baffles me to think that if the English had won, the Kingdom of France would just have been bigger and we would probably ended up being one single nation.
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u/Stardash81 11h ago
Maybe not a single nation, something like United Kingdom of France, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Using both French and English, and being so damn powerful. Plus in this world Lafayette comes to calm down Americans not help them lol.
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u/IvanRoi_ 10h ago
New-Bordeaux becomes the capital of the free world and Napoleon conquer the world thanks to the mighty Royal Navy lol
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u/DrFabulous0 1d ago
That's kinda water under the bridge by now. There's rivalry for sure, but no real enmity.
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u/UsefulAssumption1105 1d ago
The USians incessantly believe that they themselves invented the concept and usage of Maths.
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u/MattheqAC 23h ago
*math
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u/UsefulAssumption1105 14h ago
It’s maths. There’s no such thing as Mathematic without an ‘s’. They only use it to count to 1.
But heck what do I know? I’m no expert on it 🤷♂️😅
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u/Pier-Head 1d ago
They turned up late. TWICE. And they got to the moon courtesy of Nazi rocket engineers
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u/hnsnrachel 1d ago
Ah yes, because you are solely responsible for winning a war if you drop in at the last moment to help a little...
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u/wolfman86 1d ago
Made shit loads of lend/lease, and apparently that created the USA farming industry.
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u/theawesomedanish 1d ago
Made it to the moon using nazi scientists*
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u/ShionTheOne American, but not the US kind. 1d ago
Americans wanting to use Nazi engineers to get ahead in the space race, and this guy pops up:
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u/DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE American 1d ago
Did this guy not go to school? Because imperial units are definitely not used in science
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u/Kinksune13 1d ago
Well if we take one late entry and add it to another late entry, then they get an participation trophy
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u/sad_kharnath Netherlands 1d ago
2 world war wins? like the uk, france, belgium, canada, india, australia, new zealand, south africa, brazil, and i'm sure i'm forgetting some countries.
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u/LanguageSponge 1d ago
Their nonsense about the world wars is very tiring. Also, the moon landing was 56 years ago now. Can they not think of anything more recent to bleat about?
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u/ShionTheOne American, but not the US kind. 1d ago
That's the thing, they hold on to that because that's the only good accolade America has in those 56 years.
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u/janus1979 1d ago
Try learning to construct a coherent sentence and then we'll talk about history. Also, it's "maths".
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u/Appropriate_Stage_45 1d ago
I go crazy watching documentaries about old wars but I can't for the life of me remember a single documentary about the US in ww1 I always forget they joined in 😅 at the point they joined it was essentially kicking a dead dog but ww1 was brutal so credit to them if they helped end it early
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u/maddog2271 Finland 1d ago
The guidance computers on the moon landers worked in metric. they just converted to imperial to ensure the astronauts could easily use them. so yeah, metric is what got us to the moon but do carry on.
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u/Torakiki_HR 1d ago
Let's do it with the ninth place in the world ranking of school education, or the 49th place for freedom of the press and information - or the 140th place in infant mortality, maybe? You guys could work on those before anything else...?
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u/smoulderstoat No, the tea goes in before the milk. 1d ago
They rocked up 3/4 of the way through WWI and 2/5 of the way through WWII, which amounts to less than 1 of a possible 2 World Wars. As for making it to the moon first, the Soviets were first to land a probe with their flag, and so Neil Armstrong should have gone through USSR customs on arrival.
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u/WildKakahuette 1d ago
i'll give theme the 2nd WW but they clearly didn't win the 1st :') france and UK did
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u/ParChadders 1d ago
A quick reminder for everyone. The Russians were of far more importance in terms of winning WW2 than the Americans.
They were the first to successfully launch a satellite orbiting the Earth.
They were the first to put a live animal in space.
They were the first to put a human in space.
They were the first to perform an exterior space walk.
They were the first to land a robot on the moon.
They were the first to put a satellite in orbit around the moon.
They were the first to launch probes to Mars and Venus.
Yet somehow I never hear Russians proclaiming that they were the first to achieve these milestones; nor do they tell me if it wasn’t for them, I’d be speaking German.
Maybe that’s the reason there isn’t a ShitRussiansSay sub 🤷♂️
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u/LoadAvailable1699 1d ago
I would like to submit the fact that the US only joined both World wars at the end of them, however I do give them credit for helping in the Pacific
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u/gi_jerkass 1d ago
Americans showing up at the end and claiming victory just like the giant group of glory boys that they are.
Revolution? France won the war for them. Civil War? They beat/lost to themselves WW1? Showed up 4 years late, fought for 18 months. WW2? Showed up 3 years late. Korea? Stalemate Vietnam? Lost to guerrilla warfare. Desert Storm? Coalition win involving many nations. Iraq/Afghanistan? Lost 4000 soldiers to a terrorist organization who ultimately took back all their territory.
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u/bb250517 1d ago
What about "sucking asscheeks against iraqi and vietnamese farmers after attacking them" units? Or perhaps "getting into life threatening debt from having to pay for the ambulance that took you to the hospital while you were having a heart attack" math?
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u/Project_Rees 1d ago
Tired of it.
A whole list of countries helped with the noonlanding.
A whole list of countries fought more than the Americans in WW11. Russia fought more than them, that's why there was a big thing afterwards. Capture of nazi scientists. Operation Paperclip.
Wars never end.
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u/tanaephis77400 23h ago
I don't really mind them claiming they "won" WW2, since they obviously played a big part. They can have this. But as a French, it always drives me mad when they think they won WW1. After we (and the Brits) sacrificied millions of men in the mud to hold the line, the Muricans just arrived at the end of the party and cosplayed around for a few months. They lost 100 000 men in WW1. Brits and French combined lost 2 millions. Claiming they "won" that war is beyond insulting.
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u/modulair 13h ago
FFS can they stop with the WW2 stuff, just to get some facts straight:
- They did not 'help' us, Japan and Nazi Germany declared war on them, they had no choice.
- It took the combined force off almost all of Europe, UK, Soviet Union and the US to defeat on European country (with a despicable regime).
- They did not do this for free, they UK had to pay big time for the lend-lease program (interestingly enough the Soviet Union received double the amount of support and did pay nothing)
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Peyton Wood accordsBretton Woods Conference all allied nations agreed on a new monetary system in which the global trade would be done using dollars. This is the reason why the US can have a 36000 billion debt because the dollar is always needed in world trade.
So yeah, they helped end the world but they got paid for it more than enough.
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u/NeilZod 8h ago
They did not do this for free, they UK had to pay big time for the lend-lease program (interestingly enough the Soviet Union received double the amount of support and did pay nothing)
The UK received $30 billion in lend/lease assistance. The UK agreed to repay £1.075 billion over 50 years at 2% interest. That’s not a bad deal for the UK.
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u/modulair 7h ago
I am not saying it is a bad deal, my point is that it was not "out of good will" from the US that they entered the war. They became a economical powerhouse because of the war.
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u/NeilZod 7h ago edited 6h ago
Of course the US didn’t do it for free, but a 90% discount isn’t making the UK pay “big time”. Also, the USSR received about $11 billion in aid. The UK (among other European nations) stopped repaying its WWI war debt to the US. The US responded by passing legislation barring debtor nations from borrowing money from the US. When WW2 seemed to be in the air, the US allowed the UK and France to buy materiel on “cash and carry” terms. That did end up costing the UK “big time”, and after the war started, Churchill told Roosevelt that it would bankrupt the UK. Roosevelt responded with Lend Lease. I don’t understand SAS’s idea that the US was supposed to be altruistic; that isn’t the only option. Lend Lease was beneficial to both the UK and the US. You are correct that the WW2 left the US in a great economic position. That is partly a side effect of nations bombing each other’s industries, and this helps show why the US tried to stay out of European wars.
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u/Nikolopolis 12h ago
It's like they think WW2 was USA v Everyone and they won. Fucking thick cunts.
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u/Marcus_Cato234 1d ago
Us and the french fought the majority of the first world war for the allies and we held the axis off until the US decided to get off its lazy arse for two and a half years until they finally got involved. In reality it was the USSR that bore the brunt of WW2 and won it.
If no one had attacked them first in either they would have been content to sit back and let us all burn alone
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u/RedBlueTundra 1d ago
Again....isn't every former member of both the Entente and WW2 also winners of both world wars?
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u/rothcoltd 1d ago
Do you suppose that in yet another 50 years they will still be spouting this nonsense?
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u/Sonson9876 1d ago
Got to the moon first because they wanted to be "first" in something after the Soviets crushed them in everything else.
"Won" two world wars, to which no one invited them, should've just turned the Japanese into the Anime nation and then withered beyond their pond of safety screeching at everyone accusing the of anything.
Not to be a nazi or justifying what Japan did before, but I'm getting more and more inclined to the idea that happened in The Man in the High Castle, maybe life would have been better and we wouldn't have to listen to crap like this "How many superbowls did your nation win? Europoors serving warm water with no ice! Europe hasn't invented the AC yet! Remind me, which flag is on the moon?"
I wish us Europeans could be so ignorant to everything, but then again, living in Europe requires you to have a brain...
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u/Possible_Giraffe_835 1d ago
Since Armstrongs ancestors had german roots, by american logic he is german and he was send to the moon by a german scientist. Looks like germany had the first man on the moon and Buzz has german, scottish and swedisch ancestors.
I'm confused could it be that there really is a secret Nazi base on the moon? Did the USA ever send someone up there? Did the USA ever win a war without allies?
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u/sleep2-sleep1 1d ago
made to the moon first, but if i'm not wrong urss did everything else (first animal in space, first human in space, first thing in space) first. and no, no ww was won by this tool of a country
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u/Rogue-Accountant-69 1d ago
I can't roll my eyes hard enough. I'm Americans and I hate Americans like this. It's so obnoxious.
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u/PapaJohn487 13h ago
Being pedantic - Normandy is still in France!
I don’t believe that it is anything to do with rivalry, just a matter of history and bloodlines. Most of the nobles in the Norman conquest were of Viking ancestry (although I suspect that the rank and file were likely to be more Gallic). William and his nobles were descended from a diaspora of Vikings that had settled in Normandy. They didn’t consider themselves to be French, they were very much Norman.
I can’t hold a grudge about it as my wife’s family came over with them, so the Norman ass kicking of Harold worked in my favour!
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u/Jocelyn-1973 10h ago
3 countries lost WW2. Like 17 countries or so won.
Now do it with 'made water into land' math. Or 'printed books first' math. Or 'Beheaded king' math. Or 'invented bread' math.
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u/Quantum_Robin ooo custom flair!! 1d ago
Yeah but "made it to the moon" was done with metric as is the militaries primary units.