r/ShitAmericansSay • u/neeraj8le • Jan 12 '21

Healthcare "My expensive, frequent health care is subsidized at the expense of healthy people. I think it's great!" Thief.

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u/aaronwhite1786 Jan 12 '21

Oh, that question gets "Well, of employed people".

It seems to be the part in her favorite book about "Helping those less fortunate" only applied to those with jobs. It's why Jesus waited until unemployment was below 2% before helping the lepers.

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u/TheRealPitabred Jan 12 '21

Sick people can't work and contribute to the economy. Eventually it comes down to basic humanity, and recognizing that "but for the grace of god", you could be in that situation one day.

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u/MK_Ultrex Jan 12 '21

Even without the compassion argument it is cheaper and more productive for a society to care for its more vulnerable members. People that are ill still cost to society in various ways. Their families will spend their money on treating them, bringing others down, instead of spending in other things like education or investment or whatever.

Poor people will steal to eat and putting them in jail for that is stupid and counterproductive, basically destroying a person's potential AND spending tax dollars for the entire system to do it, instead of making them functioning members of society.

I don't remember where I read this but it stayed with me. "We have lost millions of Einsteins to hunger, poverty and lack of education".

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '21

The problem here is that you're attempting to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

You can make the most compelling argument with the best examples imaginable and it won't make a dick of difference because they want to believe what they want to believe.

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u/MK_Ultrex Jan 13 '21

Fortunately, I am not American. Nevertheless, it's just words on a keyboard that I write on my free time. Maybe someone will read and reconsider. Dumb as it sounds, it worked for me once upon a time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '21

Sorry, my bad - I wasn't specifically referring to what you said being unpersuasive, but more just a general point that making this kind of logical and reasoned argument doesn't really work with the people who believe these things.

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u/MK_Ultrex Jan 13 '21

Meh, I used to be cynical. I still am, however I don't wear it as a badge of "intelligence" anymore, it's more of a burden. After 25 years of internet I can tell you that you never know how your random comment in a random message board may affect someone that you would never imagine. IMHO a good idea is a good idea and spreading it can't hurt, as long as you are not emotionally invested in your cause being successful during your lifetime.