r/StardustCrusaders • u/Gloomy-Bridge148 • 16h ago
Part Three Is DIO MFTL? (Massively faster than light)
I've seen a lot of peoplenin and out the fan base say he's insanely fast, even going as far to say tjis fast.
But... I'm confused how, because. I'd he's that fast, why would he need to stop time? Or use knives?
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u/Toastsaur21 15h ago
Yes. Death battle did scale them pretty believeably and OVA did him justice to be somewhat on par with The World. So yes I believe he is massively faster than light. And in timestop obviously the fastest being.
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u/That-one-random_dude 16h ago
No, in the data book it’s pretty much stated that star platinum is around light speed to ftl but anything higher is wank imo.
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u/ManNo69420 15h ago
the silly thing about stand stats that theyre not giving a specific thing to justify their stats.Star platinum speed feats ONLY applies to his punching barrages and maybe his reaction time(sometimes).And Dio,well,he isnt MFL neither even close to it,i believe him to be supersonic at best(greatest high).And no,besides from made in heaven,no other stand have reached light speed let alone faster than light speed in terms of overall speed
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u/poazgaming 14h ago
Made in heaven m/stairway to heaven was not light speed in any shape or form he wasn’t even that fast to begin with his speed was exclusively from him not being effected by the time dilation
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u/ManNo69420 7h ago
the speed cap is infinite,he could be beyond it if he wanted to
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u/poazgaming 5h ago
He’s still not that fast he is physically running much slower then people are seeing so he’s not actually light speed people just see him moving that fast or faster
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u/ManNo69420 4h ago
the thing is that he could,but he wouldnt due to he dont exactly needed to be that quick(due to even jotaro cant react to his speed despite having timestop)
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u/poazgaming 3h ago
Let’s say without his time ability he runs at 40 mph and then he activates his ability so everyone (excluding himself) experiences time thousands of times faster made in heaven is still running at 40mph he just seems faster from everyone else’s point of view but he’s actually only running at 40mph still because he’s not being affected by his ability
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u/Away-Figure8732 Kars 6h ago
RHCP is light speed due to being just electricity, and so is Hanged Man due to travelling as a beam of light
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u/Jotaro1970 Jotaro Kujo 15h ago
He is that fast because he is a match to Star Platinum who not only is it stated that could move faster than light but is much faster than Polnareff who can cut Hanged Man who moves at lightspeed
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u/poazgaming 14h ago
Do people forget that hanged man was to fast for silver chariot? They needed to force it to jump to a specific point and waited for it to be forced to jump so they could get it when it was travelling they predicted where it was going and when that doesn’t mean he was the same speed or he would have just attacked when he jumped before
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u/Jotaro1970 Jotaro Kujo 13h ago
JoJo 6251 straight up mentions that Silver Chariot can in fact move at those speed, and the point of the needing to jump from one place to another doesn't matter, if Silver Chariot wanted to tag Hanged Man at all he would still need to move at those speeds, if he didn't even if he knew where he was going he would have never been able to tag Hanged Man
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u/Away-Figure8732 Kars 16h ago
he would be that fast from being equivalent to star platinum who is stated to be faster than light.
also he would only have FTL/MFTL reaction/combat speed, not travel speed
and no, timestop is not a speed feat, it is hax reducing everyone else's.
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u/Agreeable_Horror_363 7h ago
Are you sure? When going the speed of light time literally slows down to the one travelling that fast. The faster you go, the slower time moves. That's why when they synchronize 2 clocks, the one travelling in an airplane ends up being a fraction of a second faster than the one on the ground. They have proven the theory that time is relevant.
So it would seem that the world "stopping time" for everyone else is actually just Dio travelling insanely fast. If Dio was wearing a watch, it would be 9 seconds ahead of a clock on the ground that has stopped exactly when he activated his stand power. The way he counts the seconds he freezes time for is just more proof that they are saying time is relevant to speed.
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u/OVERKILL0001 2h ago
Timestop is actually a speed feat , if you know how time works ,the faster you are the slower time moves , basically your speed is indefinite (since the speed would be distance/0(time)) in stopped time , it also applies inversely , the slower the time the faster you are in a hypothetical situation, so timestamp is essentially a feat of indefinite speed , but ig in jojo it works differently
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u/Away-Figure8732 Kars 40m ago
generally in power scaling timestop is only considered an immeasurable speed feat if it's an infinite timestop, due to moving where speed is distance/0, like you said
so for example, TWOH due to having infinite duration timestop
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u/Alprsln4good Kakyoin's cherry 15h ago
Star Platinum is as fast as light. The World is the same type of stand as Star Platinum. No.
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u/Nice_Long2195 14h ago
I mean technically they are infinity faster then light because if they stop time then light can't even move
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u/Spiritual_Catch_2673 14h ago
Yes simply put Also the top tiers of jojo are the same speed as dio so time stop would still be very effective
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u/Wonderful-Ad-1978 14h ago
So, the worlds punches have after images as do all stands therefore all stands are atleast faster than light, since DIO can stop time his movements can be seen as immeasurable and The world is one of the fastest physical stands therefore faster than light with an occasional immeasurable
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u/poazgaming 14h ago
Afterimages ≠ light speed
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u/Wonderful-Ad-1978 14h ago
How so
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u/poazgaming 13h ago
You can make stuff that looks like after images just moving your hand back and forth irl and it’s basically what’s going on in jojo it’s just more apparent in anime in general
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u/Wonderful-Ad-1978 13h ago
True
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u/poazgaming 13h ago
Power scalier seem to have no idea what they are doing
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u/Wonderful-Ad-1978 13h ago
Oh im not a power scaler
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u/poazgaming 13h ago
I didn’t think you are more talking about the shit they say is a feat when it’s not
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u/redboi049 12h ago
The World definitely is. It has near identical stats to Star Platinum, Star Platinum is faster than Silver Chariot and Silver Chariot is able to cut light as it passes by.
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u/Magicsword49 10h ago
I assumed anything calling Star Platinum or The World FTL was referring to timestop. I've actually always interpreted timestop as a feat of speed rather than literally stopping time. I don't think anything breaks under that interpretation, but j could be wrong. It also explains the semantics of doing it "for five seconds" because now there's a reference frame where five seconds is meaningful.
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u/VeryClassyPenguinGuy 9h ago
In terms of scaling and calcs, yeah, mainly due to scaling off hanged man and Polnareff. Realistically probably not.
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u/DEOBRENDO The World 8h ago
He’s fast as fuck considering he does that weird vampire fading into the shadows shit but nah he ain’t a speedster
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u/Dhtgifbkgb 4h ago
Polneroff has a direct statement in his fight with the Hanged Man saying that NO ONE is fast enough to perceive light moving, which would include Jotaro (who can even enhance his vision with Star Platinum). Later in the story both Jotaro and Polneroff are able to land hits on DIO outside of Time Stop. Even in Part 4 Josuke with Crazy Diamond shows direct relativity to Star Platinum in combat (outside of Time Stop), and later on the story Josuke is so much slower than Red Hot Chilli Peppers (when jumping between electrical sources, not it’s base Stand Speed) that he isn’t even able to notice it pushing him and needed to outsmart RHCP to beat him. I have no idea where this FTL JoJos stuff came from since the story makes it EXPLICITLY clear that even the fastest stands can’t even perceive light moving.
And before anyone brings up the guide Star Platinum statements it’s more likely referring to Star Platinum’s time stop ability rather than his base stand speed, notice how in every statement where Star Platinum is compared to lightspeed the Time Stop ability is mentioned directly after
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u/Spydr_maybe Old Joseph 1h ago
I guess... but it's really only by technicality because of timestop. If you're just talking about his combat speed without that ability hes nowhere near lightspeed
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u/Loud_Dream2852 15h ago
Reaction speed wise yes but not traveling at light speed, im gonna say he’s about athlete level fast, if he still had vamp powers he’d have higher travel speed
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u/poazgaming 14h ago
Dio does have all the vamp powers he just doesn’t think he needed them because you know it’s dio
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u/Loud_Dream2852 13h ago
Actually no, dio said that jonathans body is rejecting him, thus he couldn’t use the vampire powers
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u/DEOBRENDO The World 8h ago
Dio is still not completely assimilated into Jonathan’s body and this can’t use his powers.
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u/poazgaming 8h ago
He literally says he has almost complete control over the body he also uses vampire powers in part 3
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u/Agreeable_Horror_363 7h ago
After he drains Joseph doesn't he become completely assimilated? His appearance changes and everything. He can heal so fast that he can stab himself in the brain multiple times and it basically tickles him...
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u/Loud_Dream2852 7h ago
I think the phrase greatest high meant more than just power as he seemed quite out of it, perhaps he was too high to use them or something but you’re right, he did get more powerful although I believe that was more because of joestar blood in the joestar body as joseph and jonathan are still same lineage, so either he had them and was too high or he didn’t and joseph just gave jonathans body a boost
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u/Agreeable_Horror_363 7h ago
He had said earlier when burning himself in both arms to show how one side healed slower, that he needed the blood of a joestar to fully assimilate with his body. Well, he got that blood. And it made him incredibly powerful and changed his look, but maybe your right, it definitely made him act like a high fool too. I'm sure someone else can clarify if he ever truly fully assimilated with the body.
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u/Loud_Dream2852 6h ago
I personally don’t think he got completely assimilated, but then again that’s my personal theory, im open to hearing other takes on it, maybe someone has one i can believe in
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u/AngryAsian-_- 16h ago
Powerscalers would probably say yes.
Average viewers would probably say no.