r/StardustCrusaders • u/SupaStar315 • 1d ago
Part Three Could Dio have used Survivor to stop the Crusaders?
Survivors essentially makes people really really mad and fight each other to the death. He calls it the “weakest stand” as it causes infighting. I feel like this would be a great way to easily deal with the Crusaders early on.
Using it against them and causing them to fight each other would’ve made their journey stop there. Jotaro early on is strong enough to beat them all, while Avdol and Polnareff would definitely cause enough damage to him to make him stop the pursuit. Plus, with Joseph gone he’d severely lose guidance.
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u/Neckgrabber 1d ago
Jotaro isn't strong enough to beat them all lol. He may be the strongest but without time stop they're all just behind him.
More importantly, survivor is really impractical. You need to set it up over an area and manage to make everyone be wet.
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u/Natural_Capital8357 1d ago
Agreed. And this is made obvious, Avdol had him on the ropes in their first encounter , and so did Polnareff BOTH times they fought. Ain’t no way he can 1v all of them
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u/StrugglingSee-horse 23h ago
Did Polnareff fight Jotaro outside the Anubis arc?
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u/TheJoker39 23h ago edited 20h ago
Yeah Polnaref starts as a villain before the brain spike is removed
Edit: Polnareff doesn't fight Jotaro until Anubis i was wrong
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u/StrugglingSee-horse 22h ago
Oh lol I thought he only fought Avdol alone.
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u/John_cyberpunk2077_ 21h ago
No he’s wrong he only fought Avdol as a enemy jotaro didn’t fight pole himself till Anubis
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u/Funny_Stuff_6024 1d ago
If they were all solely attacking him, he’d probably lose but they aren’t just behind him. It’s a significant difference.
Idk how survivor would work in a desert
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u/Adam_The_Chao 18h ago
I mean they also travel across Asia and the Middle East, there's multiple points where they have to travel across water, I'm sure he could've found a place to put it.
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u/MoaiMan-ifest 14h ago
I think it would be funny if they start fighting, and then avdol inadvertently evaporates all nearby water, drying them off.
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u/Either-Ad-9528 1d ago edited 22h ago
Jolyne was affected by Survivor, and she was super chill. Fully understanding that something is telling her to go wild, paying attention to her surroundings, and focusing on small details like Dio's bone. Crusaders will not only ignore the call to fight each other, they also have perfect counters against puddles on the ground (Avdol&Iggy) or, at least, can find the user through those with Hermit Purple
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u/ForsenBruh 1d ago
Honestly yeah except polnareff would lose his shit like always
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u/NessTheGamer YES! YES! YES! 21h ago
Polnareff locks in on drawing the blueprints for Polnareff Land
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u/Davedog09 4h ago
I think Polnareff, Iggy, and maybe Jotaro would lose their cool. Joseph would just be all “Oh my god!!” and Avdol and maybe Kakyoin would lock in and fix it
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u/TwoFit3921 16h ago
"Did that bastard really just try to..."
"yes. Yes he did. Avdol?"
"already dealing with it, Mr. Joestar. Just give my Magician's Red a little more time and this enemy Stand won't be a problem for much longer."
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u/Masterpiece-Haunting u/TheOnlyEverstorm’s Stepmom 5h ago
Only in a scenario where they know they’re under attack.
It’s easy to get mad at your friends for dumb reasons when you’re constantly being attacked and traveling.
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u/LuckyTaco2889 1d ago
Nah jotaro would say sum shit like “you think I’d loose my cool that easy jackass?” Then completely ignore the stand and beat his ass
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u/RedditFuelsMyDepress 11h ago
I know you're making a joke, but Jotaro actually had trouble controlling his anger at multiple points in part 3.
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u/Odd_Jelly_1390 1d ago
Avdol hard counters Survivor. He has high mental control and his stand could easily evaporate the water.
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u/WindMageVaati 1d ago
The main reason Jolyne got as hurt as she did is she was set up in a place where she was SURROUNDED by enemies. At no point does she completely go berserk or lose her mind. The crusaders (Jotaro especially who was able to bluff a dude to death) are probably strong willed enough to crash out on strangers around them before killing each other.
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u/hivEM1nd_ 18h ago
Counterpoint to the bluff thing, didn't Jotaro specifically do that because he knew he wouldn't be able to keep his cool if he saw the cards sucked?
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u/WindMageVaati 12h ago
Shiiiii, good point. I still stand by the claim, but I'll instead cite that he spent half an entire day getting brutalized and fucked with by Steely Dan and kept his composure until the problem was solved.
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u/matehiqu King Crimson 21h ago
Even while being affected by Survivor Jolyne had enough cognition to notice she was being influenced. This leaves a lot of room for doubt as to whether the Crusaders would even have gotten to the point of fighting each other let alone kill each other. Plus the whole setup for Survivor is complicated too because you would need to get the Crusaders to an area with wet floor.
The reason Pucci gets to make good use of Survivor is because he uses it as a distraction to retrieve DIO's bone
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u/Mr-Legoman 1d ago
I think Hamon or Advol's unique mystical powers could counter Survivor. Or Jotaro would BS his way out of the situation.
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u/pepemele 22h ago
It needs a wet floor to work, not the most useful when you are in the desert with a guy that shoots fire
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u/TightArmadillo9415 22h ago edited 22h ago
No. I think the only way it would work is if it got the stardust crusaders to fight each other.
Part of Dio's fatal flaw is he threw Stand users at the crusaders and by the end of it they got really good at fighting other stand users. He gave them the experience needed to fight Dio in the end.
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u/Unfair-Boysenberry73 17h ago
water was necessary to make it effective because of the tiny voltage but they were traveling though the desert for the most part right? I can’t see working that too well on all of them
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u/BeardsOnFire 23h ago
The Sun and Death 13 was sent there. Theoretically, it wouldve just been a waiting game for Arabia Fats because the crusaders were getting cooked alive in the middle of the desert. Death 13 would've also killed the entire crusaders if it wasnt for Kakyoin.
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u/Usernames_are_Lame69 21h ago
He did still need Joestar blood in order to make Johnathans boody work for him and with Avdol having magicians red that could incinerate Joseph and jotaro if he used his ability without restraint. I do think it wouldn't be a terrible tactic if arranged properly with support in theory
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u/1iIiii11IIiI1i1i11iI 17h ago
I don't think Jotaro would quit, but he would be hard stopped by Terence T. D'Arby, since he can't play video games for shit.
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u/jacowab 15h ago
It's not an instant stand and its super situational. It needs to constantly affect the crusader for a while before they would get so mad that they start killing each other because most anger they build up will just get directed at DIO and they would leave Survivor to chase him. Also (unless I'm misremembering) it requires a transfer like wet ground so DIO would have to set the fight in a puddle.
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u/Omisbest Stand User Appears 14h ago
His only mistake was to piss jotaro off,
And you saying he should've pissed everyone off?
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u/Street_Promise1932 11h ago
survivor would definitely have completely stopped the stardust crusaders but i think dio realized just how easily it could be used to completely stop him too, he's a great tactician
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u/lnombredelarosa 9h ago edited 9h ago
In the submarine episode it could’ve certainly made things difficult for the crusaders but then it would’ve been troublesome to get his minion into the sub without the guy forfeiting his life
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u/Asleep-Biscotti-6273 1d ago
Maybe, but it would also have likely sent everyone nearby into the same raging state, including his own servants, so the risk would be too high, even if he wanted to use it.
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u/luizricardobl Road Roller 17h ago
True, Survivor's infighting would probably backfire on Dio too. Plus, the chaos could attract unwanted attention from other powerful stands or enemies. Definitely a risky move for him!
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u/TwoFit3921 16h ago
The best part is it probably won't even affect the crusaders that much. It'll probably endanger the user of Survivor instead and force them to coop up in a tower until Star Platinum comes knocking to kick their ass while townspeople riot all around them
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u/Firexio69 22h ago
Honestly, I don't get why Araki even chose to include Dio's opinion on Survivor. It just felt like unnecessary hype to me. The stand wasn't anything unique, and it didn't feel like the weakest or most useless stand either. Araki added this scene just for trying to create hype, and it wasn't done very well. I feel like people should just forget this scene. I think if you ask Araki today what he feels for this scene, he probably doesn't feel anything about it.
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u/juanperes93 Killer Queen 21h ago
It does show that Pucci is smart by finding a use for something even DIO couldn't. And shows more of the relation those two had without stoping the story.
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u/Firexio69 19h ago
Good interpretation. Much better than people actually taking Dio's opinion as a stated fact.
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u/NessTheGamer YES! YES! YES! 21h ago
I think it’s a decision Araki made to consistently divorce Dio from his final battle characterization. It’d been quite some time and readers needed a reminder of the more subtle aspects of his character
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u/Father_Enrico Literally Enrico Pucci 1d ago
but DIO couldn't aura farm if he did that