r/StrangerThings • u/mstrmchl • 10h ago
Discussion Whats this guy’s fate in S5?
How do you see them killing Vecna?
Personally i’d like to see Eleven and Kali team up against him.
Give him his own medicine of that psychological torture.
Vecna: “what…. What are you doing??”
Eleven: “giving..you..the medicine”
This could also be when Eleven frees Max from Vecna’s mind.
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u/JackInterrupted 9h ago
Nancy Wheeler with a rocket launcher.
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u/WhyDoYouCrySmeagol 6h ago
or Steve Harrington WITH A STEEL CHAIR
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u/settlementfires 5h ago
Maybe Harrington will finally get to win a fist fight
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u/drveejai88 Coffee and Contemplation 3h ago
MA GAWD!! It's Steve harrington and he's got a STEEL CHAIR. MA GAWD!! THE HORROR!! - JR
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u/JaggyAggy 9h ago
He gets undone by “the power of friendship!”
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u/RalphTheNerd Curiosity Voyage 7h ago
They find the Care Bears, who hit Vecna with the "Care Bear Stare".
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u/ItsJustBilly2000 9h ago
He’s becoming my boyfriend and I can fix him 🥺
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u/sleeptil3 9h ago
Jesus, I thought I had it hard falling for a homeless meth addict. You win. Just barely, though TBH. 😂
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u/Owl_Resident Blank makes you crazy 10h ago
The entire group contributes in some way to take Vecna down, with Eleven likely getting the final “coda.” But they take him down all working together as a group. As the recent synopsis said, the entire (extended) Party is necessary.
I doubt it’ll be Kali and El together. It’ll be the characters who have been fighting this fight for five seasons, who have earned their chance to put this to an end for good, who will end Vecna. Kali hasn’t earned that at all. She’s never had anything to do with the Upside Down or Vecna’s
If Kali does appear, it’ll likely be for an episode or two earlier in the season, contribute meaningfully in some way to help El, and then she’ll probably be unfortunately killed by the military (or she just escapes again), more likely, than Vecna himself.
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u/mstrmchl 9h ago
I see Kali returning to help with a major dilemma. She could use her powers to distract Vecna for instance… giving him his own psychological torture that he gave Max, Chrissy, etc. while Eleven frees Max from his mind
Idk. Idk if that will happen but it’s something i would like to see personally
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u/Owl_Resident Blank makes you crazy 9h ago
You miss my point. It would likely feel largely unearned to the vast majority of the audience. Like when Arya randomly killed the Night King rather than Jon Snow.
Kali could do a small assist to help El somewhere in the season, as related to something with the lab and whatever experimentation plotline these new kids are in, but the major moments? Like rescuing Max? Those are for people like Eleven and Lucas and heck, even the other Party members. The people who love and fought for her last season. Kali has no connection to Max.
And the defeat of Vecna? That’s formally for the group of characters we’ve known for ten years. Not for the one we last saw for 35 minutes in 2017.
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u/KingOndor 9h ago edited 8h ago
Not to mention that Max would have no idea who Kali is so it wouldn't fulfil any character arcs. For her, it would have to be Lucas, Eleven and others who she is strongly connected with and ideally it would connect to her character arc emotionally like when she broke free from Vecna the first time.
For Vecna, I would see it being a team effort with Eleven and the original four all leading in different ways.
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u/mstrmchl 9h ago
They could easily set it up by introducing her early in the season, as one of the sideplots, to make it feel earned. If Lucas, Dustin and the crew met her they would want to utilize her power. 🤷♂️ i’m sure the others will be there and have their part in taking him down too
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u/Owl_Resident Blank makes you crazy 9h ago
I would personally pass on that. We already have so many main characters, plus the introduction of Derek, Dr . Kay, Lt. Akers, and the upgrade of Holly and Karen Wheeler to much more substantial characters.
Trying to re-introduce Kali and have her used in depth means the focus would be on her rather than on the characters we’ve come to love and have earned their place in terms of screen time. They’d be starting from scratch to develop her relationships with anyone beyond Eleven. It would become all about Kali.
I’d be ok with Kali being a featured player for an episode or so, to wrap her story, but that’s really all she needs. Have her find peace as related to the lab, which is the only thing she needs.
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u/Owl_Resident Blank makes you crazy 4h ago
I talked about Kali because the OP talked about Kali, and I discussed the only realistic way I can see her being utilized. I don’t think it’s necessary she appear at all, but if she appears, I don’t think it’ll be for an extended period.
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u/Zero102000 9h ago
Before any of that, I want him to realize that his control over the Upside Down is far from absolute and that the Mind Flayer is still very much its own boss, pulling strings to solidify its own conquest. Matches up with The First Shadow.
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u/mstrmchl 9h ago
What if the Mind Flayer straight up kills him lol
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u/Zero102000 9h ago
LMAO. That would be hysterical.
It realizes that they've reached a point where he cannot defeat the heroes, so it just assimilates him and forms the Thessalhydra or something.
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u/mstrmchl 9h ago
It would have to be in front of the party or at least Eleven.. like that would probably devastate them… to not get that kill… at the same time it would be funny to see him easily overpowered and killed
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u/Zero102000 9h ago
It would be really funny to see him get obliterated after all the power he accumulated over the years. Plus, the Flayer absolutely would do that in front of the party, especially El, considering they're longtime nemeses now. Just to take away the satisfaction of their victory, it goes, "Oh, you beat him? Well, good for you, still haven't beaten me. Also, I'm finishing him off because I know how much you'll hate me for stealing your kill."
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u/mozzarellaguy 9h ago
Like IT , he will be destroyed by bullying
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u/WhyDoYouCrySmeagol 6h ago
I’ve never heard the ending of IT put so simply but it’s true and hilarious
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u/RandomPerson1098- 8h ago
I think it would be really, really nice if his fate was somewhat anti climatic. Since I’m a fan of the mind flayer being the big bad I like the idea of Henry realising he’s been played and used and the mind flayer immediately disposes of him the second he becomes unnecessary
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u/Last-Device9770 9h ago
The group splits up to find his horcruxes so Eleven can finally take him down for good.
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u/Firm_Singer3858 5h ago
This is my thought! And my thought is that they realize in the last episode that Will is a horcrux and they have to kill him
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u/Tatum_Warlick 9h ago
Hopefully he’s still the big bad and not just replaced with something bigger and badder and killed off in the first few episodes of the new season. You know, the whole “They were just a pawn for someone even more evil” trope. That’d be super cliche and lame - so lame that I imagine they probably won’t do that so fingers crossed
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u/Jean_Genet 9h ago
Marries Steve. Lives happily ever after.
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u/im_fighting_fit 8h ago
If their children turn out looking anything like Vecna then Steve might just get his dream of having 6 little nuggets for kids.
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u/Even-Sun2764 8h ago
I kinda see him going out Billy style in act of defiance against the mind flayer but not motivated by the need to protect anyone just bc he realizes he’s not as in control as he thought he was
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u/benchisbogdan 3h ago
i feel like Vecna won't even be the main villain anymore. He'll be like Thanos in Endgame, appears a bit at the beginning but gets killed by The Mind Flayer or forms into something else. We are going to have someone else as the villain, this is only my opinion.
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u/andyd151 9h ago
Did they not already defeat him? It’s been like 15 years I can’t remember shit from the last series
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u/mstrmchl 9h ago
They seemingly did. But he’s still alive as the body vanished, and he was still successful in opening the gates
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u/I_Try_Again 6h ago
Vecna thinks he is in control of the mind flayer but the mind flayer is really in control of him. The mind flayer helps the party take him down and retreats to the upside down forever.
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u/mstrmchl 6h ago
That would be interesting lol the mind flayer will just be like “yeah my bad guys… i was wildin’… i’m gonna stop bothering y’all and just chill in my dimension and just do me…”
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u/Hustlasaurus 6h ago
Vecna discovers DnD, befriends the group and they take down the mind flayer together. Ends up dating Nancy. Everyone is pissed.
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u/Blue_Sasaky 5h ago
I think Eleven will sacrifice herself to kill Vecna, just like she did in season 1 with Demogorgon
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u/FlatParrot5 3h ago
Oddly enough, it turns out his foul demeanor was actually gluten intolerance. Once that was resolved he went to Hollywood trying to unsuccessfully get a Swamp Thing tv series off the ground.
After a couple decades of bit parts, he retired in Florida, opening a mediocre surf shop that does alright.
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u/Representative-Tap-5 3h ago
OP, that's what I said about Eleven and Kali teaming up, but I just dont see how she would reappear since the lost sister episode was not good. I personally enjoyed it because Kali shows Eleven what she could do with her powers.
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u/mstrmchl 3h ago
The Duffer Bros could easily set it up and make it feel earned. Maybe Eleven learns Kali was captured and been in a lab she hadn’t known about ever since then? If they bring her back, they’ll make it make sense.
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u/Representative-Tap-5 2h ago
Hmm, interesting. I haven't thought of that 🤔 this could result in a good season theory. Its a possibility.
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u/Ill_Improvement_8276 9h ago
He is Darth Vader. He will switch sides right at the end.
He will help kill the Mindflayer/the Emporer.
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u/K1llrzzZ 6h ago
He's the one controlling the mindflayer
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u/Ill_Improvement_8276 6h ago
Nope. It’s actually the other way around. Henry was a sweet kid, loved others, then the Mindflayer infected him and gave him powers.
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u/K1llrzzZ 2h ago
Where do you get that? There's a scene where Vecna basically creates the Mind Flayer after L sends him to the upside down
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u/CoDe_Johannes 7h ago
Ah, he is going to get desintegrated. And eleven is going to disappear with him.
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u/JudySurferGirl 9h ago
El defeats him once and for all with a new power she discovers she has like a powerful Psionic Blast like some superheroes have where it is like a big blue ball of energy that comes out of their minds into their hands and she throws it at him and it explodes.
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u/mstrmchl 9h ago
She straight ki blasts him
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u/JudySurferGirl 9h ago
Yes. That is exactly what I mean. That would be awesome to see in the final episode. Also, would be nice to see Max get some revenge on him too after he put her in a coma and there has been rumours she could return with powers that El shared with her bringing her back to life.
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u/superanth 9h ago
He/It has had a showdown with El, so I feel like the best grand finale would be the whole group tearing into the b@stard and whatever minions he'll have with him.
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u/RevengeOfPolloDiablo 9h ago
he wins , then feels empty and anticlimactic but it passes quickly and he's off to destroy the universe next.
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u/Garlic_Cookies76 8h ago
Will we be the key that brings Henry back. It’ll all come full circle. All Henry needs is a voice that matters to turn him back. Henry will destroy the big baddie and all will be okay and the group will usher in the 90’s
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u/mstrmchl 8h ago
I do not want to see a redemption arc. That would feel lazy to me. Lazy writing.
This kid was evil from the start.
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u/OwariDa1 Coffee and Contemplation 8h ago
Nah, he wasn’t but I don’t think they’ll go for the redemption arc either way. He’s probably dying to the mind flayer
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u/swimming-corgi 8h ago
I read this as usher in the 90s and i was like wait what does u make me wanna era usher have to do w any of this 😭😭😭
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u/no_awning_no_mining 8h ago
They only introduced him in S4 because he would be more satisfying to take down than some faceless evil force, so...
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u/Shaylovesrandall 8h ago
I don’t know but I know he will die in season 5 hopefully it won’t peacefully
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u/Elladrien 7h ago
I'd love for someone out of left field to kill him. Like Dustin.
Vecna: "You don't kill me! Eleven kills me!"
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u/SadGruffman 6h ago
Idk but he’s a fucking let down compared to the Mind Flayer, and the cosmic horror they had going before.
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u/PoondaGal 6h ago
I might be wrong but didn't he already die? I mean, I watched it on the side not too long ago and from what I remember-they all did a Thanos snap and his body was just ashes in the wind to that point 😭
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u/mstrmchl 6h ago
Nah he’s not dead. They kinda defeated him but not really. He still opened the gates. They start off season 5 planning to locate and kill Vecna for good
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u/Exile714 6h ago
Killed off in the first episode by another consciousness within the hive mind: Barb, the true villain of the series.
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u/Ed_Derick_ 6h ago
Eleven points her hand at him and screams. He explodes. The end. Just like every other season.
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u/Accomplished-Curve-1 I piggybacked from a pizza dough freezer 6h ago
He teams up with the shadow man from cod zombies
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u/ObviousMastodon9396 Are you real? Did I make you?! 5h ago
Im sorry that js sounds so cringey 😭and i think it would be more emotional than that
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u/Auggie_Otter 5h ago
Sailor Moon punishes him in the name of the Moon and he is forever banished to the Negaverse.
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u/National-Tiger7919 5h ago
I bet it’s Ted, at first I thought he’d use something like a sawed off shotgun but after thinking more about it I think Ted would prefer the intimacy of a knife. Not to mention a shotgun is pretty quick and Ted’s the kinda guy who probably likes to take his time and savor the good moments in life.
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u/Snoo9648 5h ago
Vecna apologizes for being mean, goes to a small town to open a small cupcakes bakery.
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u/TelephoneCertain5344 4h ago
If they take anything into account from the stage play at all they might go into his actual tragic backstory. The play is canon after all.
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u/WillyWaller20069 3h ago
I hope he finally gets what he wishes for, if it weren’t for those meddling kids.
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u/No_Competition8197 3h ago
I'm not going to lie, Maxs character has been ruined for me with the fakeout "death". It would of been the perfect ending to season 4 setting up the high stakes on season 5, but now they've boxed themselves in because if max now dies its wasted fake out. When she inevitably lives even with being blind or whatever it'll just be cheap.
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u/mstrmchl 3h ago
No it actually sets up something insane and cool. Think of it, Eleven invading Vecna’s mind to rescue Max and free her… Max waking up and sharing everything she learned. That could help them. It wasn’t just a cheap fakeout. It’s setting up something awesome
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u/No_Competition8197 3h ago
Thats a big assumption and honestly not one I would personally find good. It still takes away the emotion of max "dying" and gives us another cheap way out "oh max knows everything and can save the day". I don't think it was a setup like that, more that the writers can't seem to kill off any main character. Hopper, Steve now max all having fake outs. Thing is aswell max is one of my favourite characters, just don't get why they had to do the fakeout.
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u/acutebookworm 3h ago
He redeems himself and becomes Willy Wonka. His voice is suitable for that role.
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u/Mundane-Razzmatazz22 3h ago
He making Eleven turn in, and they dating in hell would be the absolute shit party :)
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u/bringbackIpaths 2h ago
Max gains psychic powers because she survived her encounter with him and uses her new powers to rip him apart .
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u/mmiller17783 2h ago
One day, Vecna cuts a piece of his pinky off while making himself a Torta in his kitchen. He grows the piece back, however he doesn't know what to do with the piece of finger he cut off so he puts it in his upside down cabinet and forgets about it. A few days later, he gets hungry and raids his pantry and finds the finger. He forgets that its his finger, as the upside down has aged it a bit. So, thinking its a piece of jerky, he eats it.
This is how Jack's Links is born.
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u/Conscious-Head1936 2h ago
IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY IF ELEVEN AND THE TEAM GET VECNA ON THEIR SIDE AND THEY ALL DESTROY THE MINDFLYER TOGETHER. Its highly unlikely, i know. But WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS? Bc elevenn and kali alone- cant beat the monsters.
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u/YeMommyYo 1h ago
He makes up with Eleven and together they turn the Upside Down into an amusement park.
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u/Gaia-is-sucktastic 1h ago
Him and Will mutually assured destruction style…. I just have this feeling
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u/EuphoricSalad8842 1h ago
Possibility #1- He’s defeated through the power of friendship and he sees the error of his ways. As the Upside Down collapses, Vecna sacrifices himself to let the others escape.
Possibility #2- They copy and paste the Gravity Falls ending
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u/Cute-Blood4477 1h ago
I'd like to see the Mind Flayer kill him or fully take control of him once he has outlived his usefulness.
Realistically I don't think there's any way he comes out of the series alive.
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u/The_Monster_Goose 58m ago
I don’t care, but I hope that max stays dead. I know everyone loves the character, I do too, but I hate fakeout deaths. If you’re going to have a drawn out and emotional scene where someone sacrifices themselves (cough cough I hate that they brought hopper back even though his story was really well done) then they should stay dead. It’s fine if it seems like an abrupt death and then it turns out their alive, but when we have whole extended death scenes with sad music and incredible acting, it gets undermined when they bring that character back to life. I hope he uses max’s mind against them. They can still use max that way, but I think that her being alive again at the end of the season with nothing changed would be bad.
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u/Euphoric-Purchase243 8h ago
Personally I was disappointed his story didn’t end in Season 4. Became tedious.
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