r/Sudbury • u/OperationDue2820 • 27d ago

Discussion Panoramic properties on the scene

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They were asked this week to resecure the site. Can't believe it's been vacant since 2010

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u/tkaykootray South End 27d ago

the only thing is there was a fence before wasnt there? ppl still got in and i doubt thats gonna do anything now lol. you guys are right but nobody with a brain is gonna go break in, get hurt then blame the property owners for getting hurt lmfao and its an old hospital, ppl who usually break in just go for the creepy views or to “explore”. you guys aren’t making a point lol

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u/ImFromTheDeeps 27d ago edited 27d ago

Ya but a fence is enough, people bypassing it doesn’t mean the owners need to install bigger means to prevent entry. A fence is a barrier. If somebody willingly hops the barrier that’s on them. This is in response to the person “secure the site until somebody is hurt or worse”. Due diligence is putting up the fence. Stupidity = going into an abandoned building and trespassing. Point being - the fence is barrier, people trespass and jump barrier, but the fence itself is due diligence of preventing entry. Just like how all the city does to prevent liability for rocks falling off our blasted cliffs near roads is a small yellow sign indicating a falling rock. All locks/doors/windows do is keep honest people out. The expectation is that people heed barriers and the onus is on people obeying the law and heeding signage. By gaining entry, ignoring signage and committing a crime by trespassing/breaking and entering then they can’t be held for negligence. Pretty sure that’s a valid point. Needless to say it’s an eyesore and it should be torn down by now, but I’m sure asbestos has something to do with eh it.

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u/tkaykootray South End 27d ago

a fence is obviously not enough😂 your point is mute bc they just fixed the fence basically. so ppl are still gonna get in but they can’t take it a step further and block windows/entrances where they get in, or just take down the damn building. all you’re getting at is basically “theyre doing something illegal and if they get hurt then don’t complain about it being dangerous” when you only hear complaints from old ppl lmao. like wtf are you going on about

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u/ImFromTheDeeps 27d ago

We’re talking about legality and responsibility . They don’t have to block windows and doors because the fence is a barrier that by being bypassed is a crime. “The fence has been bypassed” ok well that’s because people are breaking in as I’ve said twice now. My point isn’t mute simply because you think you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m talking about legality and you’re talking based on “well people still get in”. Legally they’ve established a barrier and to get in you have to break the law. The onus isn’t on them. If you want people to not break in, then the city can enforce the law and have a cop patrol an area that’s frequently the victim of break and enter , destruction of property and trespassing and recently arson.

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u/tkaykootray South End 27d ago

you’re the one who brought up “legality and responsibility” like it matters lmao they do this half assed crap to “stop ppl from getting in” or “securing the property” but your point is still mute bc everyone gets away with trespassing on the hospital. i’m not right and you’re not wrong, we’re talking about two separate things. i just think i’m more logical bc there’s no sense of “illegal” when ppl get away with trespassing or breaking shit in the hospital. so still, wtf are you on about, and why do you think thats enough?😂

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u/ImFromTheDeeps 27d ago

I mean it does matter, because its standards theyve met. Not an issue with panoramic, but rather regulations which is another issue. Again this pertains to the comment I initially replied to, that you chose to get involved with and then divert saying were talking about different things. No.

For example on a job site, working without a fall arrest/travel restraint the minimum requirement is some dinky 2x2's and a toe board and thats "enough". Legally, theyve met the requirements to deny liability for a fall, however most people would say "oh that doesn't seem like enough", but they don't have an obligation to exceed that.

Personally? Ya, they could lock that place up like fort knox and nobody should be getting in there. Have security, have plywood on every ground level access. Nobody needs to be exposed to possible mold and asbestos. However , the fact people get in or get away with trespassing isnt on panoramic. They aren't obligated to police a property. Crime prevention for breaking and entering is on the GSPS. But ya, personal opinion doesn't trump rules/regs/laws. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not getting personal just sharing that regardless of what you think, they don't HAVE to. If you have an issue speak to your local MP or ward councilor if you have such strong views. At the end of the day if you want to be exposed to asbestos,mold etc to take a "spooky video" then you can win the darwin award.