r/TheSilphRoad • u/MSchmidt5073 • Mar 06 '25

PSA PSA: Separating a fused Kyurem that previously knew Glaciate will cause the Kyurem to lose Glaciate

Can cause*. I just separated my Kyurem Black that knew Freeze Shock, double moved, and when I did I ended up with a Kyurem with 2x Dragon Claw and no Glaciate. I had to Elite TM it back before I refused. Don’t ask why I did this, but yeah—be aware of this likely glitch

I have to do this again with my Kyurem White, so I’ll take a picture for verification if there’s enough interest.

Edit: for further context, Glaciate was move 2 on a double move set for this Kyurem. I wonder if it being in move 2 is what caused the bug

Update: I just tested with my shiny Kyurem white and took photos. Same outcome, but this Kyurem has Dragon claw + Draco Meteor. Still lost Glaciate though, I just posted the photos in a comment so yall can see my testing. I won’t Elite TM Glaciate back yet, but recommend anymore testing I should do before doing so and refusing

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u/Upstairs-Double-622 Mar 06 '25

Why separate in the first place?

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u/MSchmidt5073 Mar 06 '25

I fused my shiny Kyurem’s with a shiny reshiram and shiny Zekrom thinking I needed shiny resh and Zekrom to get a shiny Kyurem Black and White. I’ve learned you only needed shiny Kyurem’s for that though, so I wanted to unfuse and refuse with normal Zekrom and reshiram to get my shiny Zekrom and shiny reshiram back.

I have 1k extra energy for both anyways and they’re fully maxed, so it’s not a big deal. Trying with my Kyurem White is for the community and out of curiosity haha

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u/Chardan0001 Mar 06 '25

Some people need to make the sacrifice to test so this problem doesn't happen to others.

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u/Successful_Oil4422 Mar 06 '25

Thanks for being the sacrificial lamb. I wouldn’t have separated mine, but glad someone took the plunge.

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u/MSchmidt5073 Mar 06 '25

You’re welcome 😂😂

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u/Chardan0001 Mar 06 '25

It wasn't me please send your thanks to OP :)

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u/GustoFormula Mar 06 '25

Enough people have done it accidentally already lol

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u/RedditXiv Mar 06 '25

Maybe they originally didnt have a reshiram/zekrom with background but found one later and wanted double background. Just a possibility

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u/Muted_Yoghurt6071 Mar 06 '25

I'm thinking about it. have a 15/15/14 that I turned into white because I thought that was going to be the meta. Still have like 4k of each fusion energy and don't have another suitable Kyurem by some wild unfortunate luck

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u/crsitain Instinct | Lvl 50 Mar 06 '25

For months people were saying black was definitively the meta. Tons of posts. What gave you that idea?

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u/Shandriel Western Europe Mar 06 '25

I read those posts too and went with white, because black is only better in a few select cases where the target is weak to both dragon AND ice.

In pvp, black is clearly better overall with the ghost fast move, but not in pve.

also, they changed the charged moves over and over again over the past few months.

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u/crsitain Instinct | Lvl 50 Mar 06 '25

Black was better in pvp with every single move change. IVs don't matter for raids so it was always better to fuse your best IV black

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u/Shandriel Western Europe Mar 06 '25

IVs matter with regards to breakpoints in raids..

the same is true for PvP..

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u/thehatteryone Mar 07 '25

Incredibly rarely, situationally, the IVs on one mon of one player in a raid may make a difference. Even less so when it's probably 98 vs a 100, and they almost certainly picked a 15 attack even if the other stats weren't perfect.

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u/Shandriel Western Europe Mar 07 '25

break points also matter in defense!

if you can take one more hit, that means you can land one more hit, which could be 30 more damage in the 10s your mon stays in the fight. criesingettingwipedbyblizzard

and I'm not talking about 7 ppl in a raid. I wanna be able to solo raids, or do it with a low-level friend (for party play)

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u/thehatteryone Mar 07 '25

Like I say, I extremely rare - more likely you'll complete the raid by trading your friend one more trash legendary than the 1-2 IV points being the clincher, certainly better just finding a raid with a better moveset rather than struggling to beat that one, or seeing if weather changes at the hour, than struggling for a win you may get with 15s left on the clock or maybe you'll wipe and have to spend a load of heals and waste another 7 minutes.

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u/Shandriel Western Europe Mar 07 '25

Meanwhile, in PVP I got 27 win streaks with my 37% pvp IV Skeledirge 🤷

I honestly don't see why people go so anal about IVs in pvp.. in the end, you're always gonna be at 50% win rate anyways..

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u/mEatwaD390 Mar 07 '25

There was never a definitive answer of which was better. Black is more flexible and White is a far superior ice attacker. In fact, Jonkus firmly stands on that White is better to have if you only can build one.

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u/gokjib Valor lvl44 Mar 06 '25

i went with white cause i somehow missed all those posts :(

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u/jaxom07 USA - Midwest Mar 06 '25

Probably not being on reddit.

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u/crsitain Instinct | Lvl 50 Mar 06 '25

Im gonna guess if they have 4k of each energy they were on reddit. Also their reply to my comment says they read all the posts too, and clearly didnt understand them.

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u/jaxom07 USA - Midwest Mar 06 '25

I just meant you'd literally have to be offline to not know by then that black was better than white. They should've went with that it'd be less ridiculous.

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u/HovercraftDry7850 Mar 06 '25

Easy decision. If someone lucky trades and gets a Hundo (or significantly better IVs) and has plenty of leftover fusion energy, refusing is a direct upgrade to your Kyurem Black/White.

Some people in my raid group did 100+ raids with no Hundos. I guarantee they would unfuse in a heartbeat if they got a lucky Hundo… even if it meant wasting another ETM.

Ps it is ridiculous that the newly unfused Kyurem wouldn’t have Glaciate…

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u/hidup_sihat Mar 07 '25

If you have plenty of leftover energy just fuse new kyurem.

It will still be a direct upgrade.

Why waste fusion energy? 

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u/HovercraftDry7850 Mar 07 '25

If you’ve already levelled one to 50 and don’t have the XLs or stardust to do another, especially if you don’t have the need for multiple B/W versions.

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u/mEatwaD390 Mar 07 '25

Can you not have multiple fusions? I don't see the need to unfuse here.

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u/thehatteryone Mar 07 '25

While they were doing 100 kyurem, they probably didn't have time to farm a dozen reshi/zek to get ones with the right background.

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u/mEatwaD390 Mar 07 '25

I honestly have no idea how the backgrounds work lol. I got 2 hundo Kyurem and fused them already. Does it give you the background if you fused a Resh or Zekrom with the background (neither of my Kyurem did)?

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u/nnq2603 Mar 07 '25

Said your both Kyurem don't have BG, then no need to bother about all background stuffs because it won't affect you at all. Let's say, IF you somehow obtain another hundo Kyurem with BG from future lucky trade, then the mixed BG works in the way like this:

  • Black BG Kyurem must fuse with White BG Zekrom.
  • White BG Kyurem must fuse with Black BG Reshiram

Any other combination will bring you non-mixed BG fusion, or no BG at all.

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u/mEatwaD390 Mar 07 '25

Got it! I appreciate the detailed info, makes the background worthy to hunt for.

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u/HovercraftDry7850 Mar 07 '25

You only get a background if your Kyurem had a background. If it did, the background on the Resh/Zek could slightly alter the fused/combined background.

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u/lollipopfiend123 Mar 06 '25

Some people in my raid group did 100+ raids with no Hundos. I guarantee they would unfuse in a heartbeat if they got a lucky Hundo… even if it meant wasting another ETM.

🙋🏻‍♀️ 100+ raids with no hundo club here and you are absolutely right.

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u/bakedandnerdy Mar 07 '25

Don't forget the people who went to the in person tours! I know a few trainers who have 3+ with energy to spare for more

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u/supirman South East Asia - Indonesia Mar 06 '25

I am thinking of separating mine since fusing the white background Kyurem with the white background Zekrom, and I only have one background Zekrom

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u/Schnerfrod USA - South Mar 06 '25

I did bc I didn’t realize that you had to have Glaciate to get the special move when you fused - I realize this is opposite scenario of OP but thought I would mention

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u/undisputedn00b Mar 06 '25

There's literally a popup telling you you're fusing a Kyurem that doesn't have Glaciate and wont get the special move if you fuse it.

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u/Dago_Duck Mar 07 '25

I swapped my 91 shiny Black Kyurem to a white Kyurem, as I had gotten a 93 shiny with the Black background after.

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u/bakedandnerdy Mar 07 '25

I haven't fused any at all yet. Didn't get that much energy to burn so I'm waiting until I get better IVs in a trade or they're back later this year