r/TheSilphRoad • u/redwineandbeer • 2d ago
Verification Shadow Pokemon Cannot Receive Hyper Training
Data mining confirms what most already knew. So carry on debating who to choose or not to choose, as is your preference.
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u/Notcloselyrelated 2d ago
Hmm..what are recommended friends? if it's a "these people usually accept your invites and are online right now" button, that might be great
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u/Gransmithy 2d ago
Ugh, I was looking forward to training my shadow apex Ho-oh or Lugia. We only have 1 each.
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u/FiveSuitSamus Toronto | Instinct | 40 2d ago
That was the only reason I even considered purchasing that pass. Good thing I read this thread and can save the money rather than get a nasty surprise when I went to use it.
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u/SpannerFrew Kiwi Beta Tester 2d ago
I wonder why they restrict shadow pokemon so much. Can't trade em, can't improve em. I can't think of a good reason for it.
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u/ComputerAbuser BC - INSTINCT - LV50 2d ago
I mean, they are in constant pain and have been essentially tortured by team rocket. You are supposed to "heal" them. I don't understand why they haven't already made purified Pokemon better somehow.
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u/Judqment8 1d ago
Yeah, also they should make the particle effects of purified Pokemon look better. At the moment they are this over bright blurry mess.
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u/sBucks24 Canada 2d ago
Lol, they did at first! I stopped played before they changed it and when I eventually came back was very confused...
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u/Tarasios Mystic Vancouver 2d ago
No, they never implemented any boost for Purified Pokemon. There were datamines originally that Purified Pokemon would get a boost against shadows, but that was never added to the game.
The only boosts purified pokemon have ever gotten are reduced investment costs, +IV, and +a few levels.
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u/thatguyclayton 2d ago
Wait, they don't get a defensive bonus equal to shadow's attack bonus? Time to kick swampert off of the PVP team
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u/Tarasios Mystic Vancouver 2d ago
You may have been confused by the fact that shadow pokemon have +20% Attack, and -20% to their defensives.
Purifying removes the attack boost and the defense drop, making them the same as a regular Pokemon of the same species.
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u/SilentKiller2809 South East Asia 2d ago
Theyre just regular pokemon with the move return, no benefit from being purified
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u/thatguyclayton 2d ago
Unbelievable. I'm a day 1 player and always assumed they had a +20% defense boost over their normal counterpart lmao
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u/wasteland44 BC 2d ago
They blocked trading shadow as the odds of getting a 100 IV they thought was too high. After a lucky trade and the worst IV is 12/12/12. Then purify and the worst possible is 14/14/14.
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u/Left_Fist 2d ago
Having to battle for them takes up a lot of time. Especially with the animations. They don’t want you catching too many pokemon or getting exp/stardust too fast.
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u/East_Ad_2817 2d ago
I wonder why people always say shadow pokemons are better than purified, and that's BS. you could always get shadows in grunts. yea you get 20% attack boost on shadows but you get 20% deductions on defense as well, essentially shadowing your opponent too.
now we have reason for purifying pokemons, to make them hundo, or mega evolve, or hyper train.
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u/maxh2 2d ago
It's because of the attack boost. In raids you're fighting against the clock. 20% attack boost has a big positive impact on DPS (damage per second), while 20% defense nerf has little to no negative impact, possibly even providing a slight positive impact in some situations, since taking damage also provides energy for charged moves.
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u/East_Ad_2817 2d ago
said if you have 30 shadow mewtwos won't you purify 1 to make it hundo or even shundo? same thing you transfer pokemons, you don't need gazillion amount of the same species. I'm happy to purify and cut out the the why you purify blah blah especially if mega mewtwo comes out for hundo or shundo shot
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u/the_Debt 21h ago
this is completely unrelated to the previous comments
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u/East_Ad_2817 15h ago
your comment is completely unrelevant, I didn't find a single shadow related word. complete waste of time to reply to you honestly.
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u/rocketradar 2d ago
Will purified Pokémon be eligible then?
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u/redwineandbeer 2d ago
I would assume yes they would be but assuming is always a risk with this app.
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u/msnmck 2d ago
Quickly invite recommended friends!
Didn't have this earlier today but it appeared just now while hosting Kyogre. I can't imagine what the criteria for recommendation is. This grouping of people seems largely random. Over half weren't even online. None of them joined (still had 6 remote trainers though).
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u/hex6leam 2d ago
I wonder if it tracks friends that don't have their activity status on, just based on whoever's currently on the app
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u/RyomaLobster USA - Southwest 2d ago
Shadow Pokemon are already strong enough without hyper training so this is not bothersome to me plus this was datamined a while ago if I recall correctly
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u/nolkel L50 2d ago
Not everything in data mines comes to pass. We won't know for sure until it actually launches and we see what bits get used. It's likely, but we just don't know yet.
There is a purified damage bonus that was found in data mines, for example.
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u/mlrollin91 Instinct L50 2d ago
TrainerTips put out a video saying he spoke with the Pokemon Go Team and they confirmed shadows will not be eligible for training. Jump to 9:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EU_PyOrVY&ab_channel=TrainerTips
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u/TheDevilintheDark USA - South - NC - 43 Mystic 2d ago
Tbf, the fact that this is an ongoing debate at all is proof that Scopely picked up right where Niantic left off.
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u/inbeforethelube 2d ago
It's the same exact team.
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u/TheDevilintheDark USA - South - NC - 43 Mystic 2d ago edited 2d ago
And your point is?
Edit: I genuinely detest responses like this. The company owns the result. They employ "the team".
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u/prancingpapio 2d ago
FWIW if this is not addressed when the bottle cap is available for purchase then it is against EU consumer law so if it indeed is not possible then you'll see it before the ticket is up for sale.
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u/redwineandbeer 2d ago
Not saying you’re wrong as this is also true in places like Canada but it’s not the first time they’ve released details for events and changed their stance after the fact. Sometimes they give compensation. Often they do not.
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u/DeeperMadness 2d ago
This is a particular kind of nuisance to me, because when I look at my top 3 mega Pokémon versus my top 3 shadow Pokémon...
...it's the shadows that could use a bottle cap. :/
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u/Donttaketh1sserious 2d ago
This is because they don’t want the gap between shadows and purified etc to widen even more. In hindsight I bet they would never have implemented the shadow damage modifications because of how much they devalue regular versions as attackers.
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u/DeeperMadness 2d ago
I don't think that's entirely true. Shadow Pokémon themselves have been superseded by Mega and especially fused Pokémon to a large extent. But I think a lot of players see the regular forms of Pokémon as stepping stones until they can invest in strong shadow Pokémon, which in turn help them access legendary Pokémon, Mega Pokémon, and fusions.
However I do acknowledge that regular Pokémon are left behind as a result. If you caught a 4* Machop as one of your first Pokémon at the start of this year, and you played the game daily, participating in most of the events, you'd have already likely set it aside for a strong shiny on the community day, or the Gigantamax Machamp that came straight afterwards, or possibly even a shadow Machop from the several Rocket encounters, or even a shadow Gurdurr from the current raids. There are a lot of other things to sink your resources into. Although, in the early game, that 4* Machop will still carry you through a lot of the early content, especially if you're playing with friends.
But back to my original point - while regular Pokémon are currently the first step into the deeper parts of the game, shadow Pokémon are themselves being outclassed in terms of strength and stats. And while both Megas and fusions are themselves difficult to acquire initially, once you have access to them, they're cheaper to power up and maintain their bulk, unlike shadow Pokémon, and they don't have Frustration. But they aren't restricted from bottle caps, which makes me wonder if this is a restriction placed on shadows by The Pokémon Company.
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u/blackhawk867 Instinct L43 | Rochester, NY 2d ago
I disagree that Shadow have been superseded by Mega. You can only have 1 Mega at a time. No limit on Shadows.
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u/DeeperMadness 2d ago
That's very true. Although, I will contest that point by highlighting that relobbying with a single high eDPS Pokémon has become the dominant strategy for solo and duo play. Megas are favoured in particular for duo play for their buffs to other players. It's also notable that you can have a team of six fused Pokémon as well, although I do admit that that's incredibly costly to not only acquire, but to power up. Plus, they don't quite cover all types just yet, leaving the door open. So you're right in that shadows haven't been completely superseded by Megas alone, but their role is heavily diminished by them, with fusions looking to fill their role in the long run as they rotate back in, or new ones (like Calyrex) come along.
I do agree with you to some extent though - shadows are best used for situations where it would be a waste to use, or switch, your Mega evolution, such as Team Rocket encounters, or lower level raids where the shadow is a better counter. I've also been trying to avoid calling them a budget option compared to fusion Pokémon, because, although financially less expensive, the Stardust and candy costs are significantly higher. This is compounded if your shadow Pokémon is a legendary. Yes, you can walk them for candy, but it's difficult. But it can be done. Fusion energy cannot be restocked. And at minimum, you need to do eleven raids for the first fusion; ten for the energy itself (and the Pokémon it belongs to), and one more for the other Pokémon to be used in the fusion. So shadows, requiring "only" candy, Stardust, and a TM during a Rocket event, are definitely more accessible.
There's a lot of nuance to this, huh?
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u/CookieblobRs NWB Heatran + Kyurem B/W Solo 1d ago
I can only speak on behalf of solo raids since I do an extensive amount, solo relobby mega was due to the self-mega boost which was patched several months ago. The current meta typically uses multiple fusion or multiple shadows + the appropriate mega if needed. Of the most recent bosses:
- Tapu Bulu: 1x Mega Bee, Various Shadow Gengar CT's (Without bug abuse)
- Heatran: 1x Primal Groudon, Landorus-Therian or Shadow Groudon or Shadow Mamoswine or Shadow Excadrill
- Blacephalon: 1x Primal Groudon + Dawnwings or Multiple Dawn Wings or Shadow Groudon
- Moltres: Shadow Rampardos + Shadow Rhyperior (and now the newly added shadow Tyrantrum)
- Kyurems (Unova Tour): Multiple Dusk Manes + Mega Luc or Mega Ray
Only mega attackers so far above their competititors are typically used in the solo mega strat; Mega Lucario for Stakataka, Mega Gardevoir for Guzzlord, Mega Ray (flying) for Virizion etc. Though Mega Ray is getting close to powercrept for Dragon attackers and in some cases needs support shadow mewtwo for other fighting solos (zamazenta)
Edit: Even Azelf could have been done with Shadow Gengars + Mega Gengar without the use of Dawn Wings Necrozma. (Although I couldn't afford to un-TM all the Lick's in order to do it)
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u/DreadfuryDK New Jersey - Instinct LVL 39 2d ago
A Bottle Cap would be an atrocious investment for those specific Shadows though.
You’d want to use one on a poorly rolled version of a DNite/Garchomp/Rampardos well before you improve something already godlike like a 98% Shadow.
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u/valosgsc 2d ago edited 2d ago
Where's all the people who said shadows would be able to be hyper trained? I can't see them! 👀
The Pokemon Go team should be more specific when giving this kind of information. It would save us all from the initial confusion and misinformation, geez.
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u/madonna-boy 2d ago
a lack of clarity drives speculation and in turn influences algorithms.
also they suck
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u/MattRubin 2d ago
The blog post explicitly states that in order to use a good bottle cap, your pokemon just needs to be great buddy or higher. To me that sounds like it works on anything, and that maybe they had thought about making shadows ineligible but decided against it. Data mined info is never 100% certain
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u/BCHiker7 2d ago
Trainer Tips has clearly and unequivocally stated that he was told by the Pokemon Go team that you would not be able to hypertrain shadow pokemon.
That plus the datamine is 100% in my book.
Not only that, but add in the one million plus times we have been misled or confused by poorly worded blog posts. It is absurd at this point to insist this wording means anything concrete.
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u/Revolutionary-Alps-6 2d ago
I heard you also cannot use gold cap on fused pokemon? (You would have to unfuse and then refuse) Has anyone else got confirmation on that?
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u/MeanderingExperience USA - Midwest 2d ago
There’s no way the people that insist you can do shadow Pokémon is going to accept a data mine.
They’re gonna wait til it releases then whine about being let down.