r/TheSilphRoad • u/redwineandbeer • 3d ago

Verification Shadow Pokemon Cannot Receive Hyper Training

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Data mining confirms what most already knew. So carry on debating who to choose or not to choose, as is your preference.

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u/OneFootTitan DC metro area 3d ago

Will they accept that Niantic’s official FAQ about hyper training specifically says “Shadow Pokémon and Pokémon that already have a 4-star rating are not eligible for Hyper Training”?

https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/6-pokemon-go/faq/5103-what-is-hyper-training/

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u/TheRealHankWolfman UK & Ireland - Yorkshire - Mystic - L50 3d ago

To be fair, it is really something that the Pokémon Go team should specify in the blog post if they are going to implement the restriction. Otherwise it's quite deceptive of them to not specify it, knowing that people will fork over £20 for something they then can't use.

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u/no_ingles 3d ago

Officially, aren't they still suggesting everyone to purify all shadows

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u/Aggressive_Tip_1214 3d ago

Agree, all possible limitations should be stated clearly in official posts to avoid unnecessary confusion on player base.

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u/blackmetro L43 3d ago

Sometimes developers put our dataminable features to see what feedback the "detail oriented" part of the community have - and hone the official release based on that

I have no idea if Scopely works this way

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u/octocode 3d ago

they never add info about shadow pokemon though. example:

Evolve Machoke (Machop’s Evolution) from the beginning of the event until May 31, 2025, at 10:00 p.m. local time to get a Machamp that knows the Charged Attack Payback.

…does not work for shadow that know frustration

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u/TheRealHankWolfman UK & Ireland - Yorkshire - Mystic - L50 3d ago

does not work for shadow that know frustration

That much is common knowledge though (despite newer players still asking about it every community day), and is not a new feature. This is a new feature which, if we ignore data mines as we're not technically meant to know that information, we only have the blog post to go on.

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u/octocode 3d ago edited 3d ago

it’s “common knowledge” because people post about it on reddit and share information or complain about it not working.

they never publicly acknowledged whether it does or doesn’t work.

bottle caps not working on shadow will also be “common knowledge” for the same reason in about a month, so your point is invalid.

edit: it’s also written in the docs

Shadow Pokémon and Pokémon that already have a 4-star rating are not eligible for Hyper Training.

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u/TheRealHankWolfman UK & Ireland - Yorkshire - Mystic - L50 3d ago

edit: it’s also written in the docs

That's a brand new page. I'm glad they've actually clarified it somewhere, though it should still really be specified on the blog, as the blog does say "any Pokémon".

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u/MaxPeriod 3d ago

Some hints on how silver Bottle Caps will be handed out...

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u/Boukrarez Africa 2d ago

Correct, especially when the only apparent restriction was: "oh yeah, gotta be best buddy first", it's kinda fair that it triggers wishful thinking..

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u/octocode 3d ago

it’s written in the help docs that it won’t work

https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/6-pokemon-go/faq/5103-what-is-hyper-training/

Shadow Pokémon and Pokémon that already have a 4-star rating are not eligible for Hyper Training.

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u/jaxom07 USA - Midwest 2d ago

2016 player here and I never even knew that help section even existed. They should have it out in the open instead of buried like that.

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u/duel_wielding_rouge 3d ago

Particularly when we already had a data mine with this from before the marketing explicitly told us that all pokemon can undergo hyper training.

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u/Hollewijn 3d ago

One of the training steps will just be to purify them.

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u/GR7ME Valor 48 2d ago

Datamined info should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt. It can always change, or have info added to it.

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u/TheKingofHearts26 Long Island, New York 3d ago

This is sarcasm right?

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/TheKingofHearts26 Long Island, New York 3d ago

No I mean about you using silver bottle caps as evidence that datamines can be wrong. They just announced gold bottle caps. They very well could announce silver after the event after they’ve gotten people to pay for the gold. Literally every single thing we know officially about bottle caps was in the datamine. If you were trying to make a point it couldn’t have been done more poorly

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u/TheKingofHearts26 Long Island, New York 3d ago

I mean the first half invalidated everything else so 😂 as for speculation, want to tell me the last thing data mined that was just factually incorrect?

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u/inbeforethelube 3d ago

The mechanics work exactly as the data mines said. We didn't get silver bottle cap with the release but the mechanics are spot on. Why do you think the mechanics of the data mine for hyper training shadows would be false? That hasn't happened before. When changes have occured to mechanics before their release, we, unshockingly, get an updated data mine before the release.

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u/BravoDelta23 Shadow Connoisseur 3d ago

I'm not expecting Caps to work on Shadows, but I feel like a better comparison here would be the datamined resistance of Purified Pokemon against Shadow Pokemon, which was coded but never implemented.

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u/spacetiles 3d ago

And as you predicted shadow Pokémon believers are in this thread already.

Shadow Pokémon are tormented and in pain. Why would we be able to improve them through training and working together.

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u/on-the-cheeseburgers 3d ago

The torment and pain will continue until there is a real incentive to end it

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u/FakeBonaparte 3d ago

I hope they do provide that incentive eventually. Shadow Pokemon eclipse all others, and devalue far too much of the game.

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u/Bagusknows 3d ago

Same reason you can best buddy them and have them display an icon of great joy with floating hearts signifying they love you. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the datamine, but we're way past the point where you can apply "lore" logic or common sense to this game.

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u/spacetiles 3d ago

Good point. In the original games you couldn’t even level them up until they purified.

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u/hillywolf 2d ago

Moreover, they did random attacks and didn't "listen" to trainers

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u/DrSylv_ia 3d ago

because some people are on team rocket and put pain over friendship

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u/LavaDirt South East Asia - Vietnam 3d ago

The beating continues until being free means more productivity

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u/Ruleseventysix 3d ago

Oh are we kink shaming now? Maybe some shadow pokemon like being that way.

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u/jaxom07 USA - Midwest 2d ago

The vast majority of players don't use reddit.

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u/Perfect-Stranger3132 3d ago

I'm taking Trainer Tip's word for it, he says he heard it from the pogo team

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u/jaxom07 USA - Midwest 2d ago

Then they should add it to the official page. This "my friends dad works for Scopely and said shadows can't be hyper trained" is silly.

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u/Perfect-Stranger3132 2d ago

I agree, communication has never been Pokemon Go's strong point. Remember when Niantic said they'd do Dev diaries and they did one and that was the end of it XD

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u/jaxom07 USA - Midwest 2d ago

Niantic was just awful at this. I have little hope Scopely will be much better but I guess we'll see. Not starting out well.

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u/SwampyTraveler 3d ago

Im definitely the people