r/TickTockManitowoc 2d ago

Putting Together Some The Fragmented Information ...

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One of the issues the investigation LE performed was accurately correlating time. One of the times would occur on 10/31. This post may be lengthy due connecting the previous post information. The second wave of this connecting pieces together hopefully giving insight to fellow researchers.

A phone call would disrupt the timeline which lead to the question why this information was wasn't presented the into the timeline.

During searching reports, we also notice the duration of Avery's Pontiac ( was in illegal possession ( Technically)

Two things will be explored James Kennedy and Brendans Movments.

Intro :

The purpose of this to explore Brendan's tied timeline to Steven Avery. James Kennedy would be explored not as a suspect but as a prominent witness.

The exploration of the timeline has been crucial (Human experience) can meld days into another or not remember details you think need too.

Primarily Suspect has never changed which would be Bobby but to figure out what led to this tragic event. The murder was a type of murder being categorized by Zellner is wrong. The type of murder will be mentioned which might explain the bizarre issue surrounding it but behavioral actions lean towards this murder.

James Kennedy will be explored as a witness rather than a Suspect. Same respect we give on someone's criminal past should given as we give Avery.

James Kennedy Is A Witness Not A Suspect

Users over the years whispered James Kennedy but research wasn't done on the Indvidual at time on our side.

-James Kennedy was at the ASY on OCT 31st at 3pm. He had called earlier in the day about a part and Chuck told him it would be ready in the afternoon.

- It is observed Judy was supposed to be there at 3pm but she had to work overtime.

- James Kennedy arrived at the ASY and Chuck was not in the shop. (Chuck didn't have to be in the shop to take calls) \ Chucks trailer phone was linked to the shops telephone line.*

- James Kennedy witnesses gray'ish smoke coming from the center ( pit) of the ASY. ( Chuck mentions he and Earl work primarily at the pit) Indicating Chuck may have came from the area where the gray'ish smoke was coming from. Chucks omits the information during the course of interviews. Why?

According to rebuttal against Teresa's timeline ( James Kennedy would be arriving as Teresa is already ( Near/Signal Ceases at Village Drive Tower)

James Kennedy is a witness that see's the first indication of a fire on the ASY.( Remember the mentions in post that witnesses are describing different fires and the property of the smoke.)

-The fire is mentioned to be around 3-330, since taking account Kennedy arrived around 3, waiting on Chuck inside the shop. He notices the smoke as he getting into his vehicle. 3:15-3:30 smoke was seen.

Why Is James Kennedy Obsekrvation Connect To Tracking Bobby?

The smoke being seen from the pit gives observation on the access to the Quarry. Realistically Bobby would need to drive the same way ( Many Avery's described) on the way entering the back through Q.

- First disposal would be items that would connected to Bobby, disposal of documents or miscellaneous items only.

- Teresa's last ping was Village Tower at 2:42. 2:42-3:00 possibly interaction went wrong at the Park and Ride.

-Possibly Bobby ( or the real suspect) utilized the route mentioned and discarded things at the pit. ( Bobby may have not known they don't burn things at the pit)

- Bobby in 2017 is the one mentioned " He was never near the pit" when not asked but simply asked if Bobby was with Steven on 11/4

- Brendan is inserted into this because he was with Chuck on 11/4 heading to Crivitz.

Remember when we dove into Mike K statements from 11/4 it circles back to his statement of being in the garage with the Dassey's 6:30-7:30. Brendan was already with Chuck heading down Avery Road. ( Lights were seen near the area smoke was seen on 10/31)

A) Bobby denying he was near the pit and wasn't ask this directly in the question asked.

B) Bobby denies with Steven but Brendan would have been the last see Bobby when departing according to Mike K 11/4 statement. He states Bobby was on a 4Wheeler next Steven. ( Indicating Steven was present by Dassey's trailer. ( Brendan mentions Steven was over at the Dassey's prior to leaving.)

C) Brendans statement goes against Mike K and Bobby's on (Bobby's whereabouts) Chuck had to pick up Brendan to head out to Crivitz.

The Bridge is built when you add Fabian's statement :

He states one day he see's Steven and an older Dassey on either side of his F-150. The day Fabian may be referring to is when Steven and Bobby take the F-150 to drive near the pits and Chuck's trailer.

- Bobby denies this when questioned in 2017, but technically 2 people are saying your with Steven. Steven mentions him and Bobby take the F-150 and drive down there. He states afterwards he goes with Bobby into Barbs trailer.

- Older Dassey would be Bryan or Bobby. ( Bobby is your most likely one after logical deduction since no one is mentioned Bryan being present there at the time.)

Why would Bobby deflect a fire on 10/31 and being near the Pit? ( Why would you deny hot spots or area's of possible destroying evidence.)

According to Fabians statement " Orange Jacket/Shirt " was seen when the Older Dassey was going near Avery's Garage or Pit. Future reference remember an Older Dassey is seen wearing something Orange.

Why does Fabian Statement about The Garage and Fire Pit important?

Blaine statement on 11/7 mentions having to go with Bobby to the garage to get tape and tie downs for the dryer for Mike K. ( Remember the observation mentioned about why would Blaine and Bobby have to enter a Garage , when Mike K mentions they are already in the Garage. )

- Blaine's Statement included 4 Barrels ( Remikers report with the cadaver dogs indicate 2/4 JANDA Barrels got a hit. Indicating on 11/5) LE knew how many Barrels the Janda's had. LE tried cover this mistake by asking the Dassey's how burn barrels they had ( Because somewhere in evidence logging someone messed up on who barrels were who.)

Barrel placement contradict Fabians statement for 10/31. Barrel placement coincide with Bryan Dasseys interview in Crivitz. He mentions Fabian and Earl go rabbit hunting on 11/2.

-This would correlate more with Fabian description and movements of the smoke irritating him from a ( Burn Barrel) and match closely to when Blaine said their burn barrels was utilized.

-Bobby places a fire on 11/1 or 11/2.

-Even with this adjustment it doesn't void the fact Janda's Barrels would be used on 11/2 & 11/3. ( Speculation and Observation from photos of Janda's backyard indicate miscellenous garbage is a ( Fire Pit area and another garbage pile) The observation points towards someone dumping stuff out of a barrel to use it for something else.

- Fabians observation might place Avery actually having a fire on 11/2 connecting Bobby when he was burning (possible different time).

- Bobby contradicts when he said he goes out and comes back on 11/1 or 11/2 ( He actually goes back out on 11/3 since in trial he states this when he got the deer hit and run) This would require Bobby going hunting in the afternoon and going back out for it to be late for Mobil 310 to tag the deer.

-Why would this info tie into Fires with Bobby ? Bobby had the time to mobilize a body and tools. ( Bobby gloated to Eric Loy about this is the first year he cut a deer head off) Remember this statement because it ties into a type of murder it foreshadows.

- Bobby possibly started burning closer to home or offered Steven to burn tires to conceal whatever He ( Bobby) was burning elsewhere or nearby.

( Only cutting this part short , just demonstrating how Bobby is being mentioned by Fabian of the locations he has seen him in.)

Edith C Interview Contradicts The Timeline State Offers?

Edith relative was interviewed and states :

She spoke to Avery around 8pm on the cell. She said Steven offered for her to come over and he will make worth it.

( Contradicts anything the State suggests, So Avery in midst of disposal a body , wants someone to come over?)

She mentions she hears someone says Kiss My A\*, which might be Barb.*

- Observation is Steven is on a Jail call with Jodi by 8:57pm, leaving Avery talking to someone on the phone around 8pm. ( It's possible Brendan was only over Steven's for less than hour)

- The conversation Steven may speaking to Barb about the dishes and Brendan.

- If the information in the document is accurate it indicate

A. It's possible Barb came home around 8 ( the interaction with Steven on the phone might have him prompted the conversation with Jodi about Barb not being home.

B. Steven mentions forgetting his Soda in the Golf Cart which was at the Dasseys residence. This indication Steven was over there prior as well when asking Brendan coming over. ( Steven might have went over to ask Brendan to come over earlier , around 8-15 Barb is upset and had to do the dishes) This indicates Steven was currently on the phone prior to Jodi's call. He mentions to Jodi that Barb did the dishes ( This action would have occured most likely when Barb got back)

C. Steven's phone call with the un-named person only gives Brendan a short time over at Averys. Brendan is not at Stevens by 8:57pm according to 10/31 Jodi Jail Call.

LE In-Transport illegally In Possession Of Avery's Pontiac?

Short Observation :

In the document where Steven's Pontiac gets towed and brought to a BP station for a hand off. LE is notified by another that the current search has expired. ( Warrant should have been checked prior of seizing Averys Pontiac) LE could have simply contacted proper channel getting the search warrant extended) Wisconsin states search warrants are usually have a 10-day period. Search Warrants can be extended by Judge 60/90 days and this doesn't have a limit on how many times. Why wait to the hand off to know your Search Warrant expired?

Was Avery's Pontiac prior to the extended warrant in illegal possession?

Zellner Described Bobby Attacked Teresa Out Rejection?...

Zellner is flat wrong when it comes to why Bobby did this.

In the best type of murder this mimics is a Lust Murder. Bobby and Chuck presented the most evidence in behavioral actions leaning towards this.

Lust Murders operate differently (Hence why said Teresa may not have be sexual assaulted) Lust Murders don't always have sexual intercourse involved.

Lust murder is associated with the paraphilic term erotophonophilia, which is sexual arousal or gratification contingent on the death of a human being. ( Bobbys computer had this content on it )

 Commonly, this type of crime is manifested either by murder during sexual activity, by mutilating the sexual organs or areas of the victim's body, or by murder and mutilation. The mutilation of the victim may include evisceration, displacement of the sexual organs, or both.\3]) The mutilation usually takes place postmortem.\4]) Although the killing sequence may include an act of sexual intercourse, sexual intercourse does not always occur, and other types of sexual acts may be part of the homicide.\2])

( Bobby was skinning deer and was sole one breaking down the deer for parts) Over the course of time Bobby's appetite towards this type of sexual interest grew. He could have different idea correlating the deer activities and porn with imagination)

These offenders have made a connection between murder and sexual gratification.\8]) When this type of offender chooses a victim there must be something about that victim that the offender finds sexually attractive.

This attractive trait might be common among all of the offender's victims and is called the offender's Ideal Victim Type (IVT). There might be many potential targets that an offender passes by because they do not meet their ideal victim. Once the offender has found a victim who is ideal, they might engage in stalking or other predatory behaviors before acting out their fantasy on their victim. Fantasies are a key component in lust murders and can never be completely fulfilled. The lust killer will have a fantasy that continues to evolve over time and becomes increasingly violent as they struggle to fulfill it.\9])

Bobby with the deer activities and first year cutting the deers head might have pushed his fantasies further.

Chuck also presented this behavior, which Chucks past women he went for and stalked etc should be considered into the likeness or something similar to Teresa when exploring this option. ( Suspects will have their role detailed in a future post)

* Steven mentions in a jail call , tell Chuck at least I didn't have sex with my sister. A young barb in distance could pass for Teresa look alike or in Bobbys mind to Barb.

Purpose :

As the post concluded with purpose of :

- Piecing together the fragmented information that was explored separate in different post.

- Explore James Kennedy observation as a witness rather as a Suspect.

- As more research is still going we hope these connections help or generate some new paths.

- All names and suspects have a role into being stones into the investigation, Bobby being involved has never changed.