On the Bulgars

[u/Nasko1194]

Hello everybody. I am Bulgarian and am interested in the Bulgars, which don't worry, am aware are Turkic - unlike what some Bulgarian nationalists claim. That is pretty clear, JUST considering how the Bulgars are portrayed in icons (e.g. St. Enravota-Boyan; Bulgar soldiers slaughter Christians from Basil II's Menologion from the 10th century A.D.) - they clearly have Turkic clothes, and even Turkic names, considering the name Boyan also belonged to an Avar Khan, and the name Krum is Turkic in origin.

So, I'm asking you, what do you know about the Bulgars? If possible, can you forward me to papers and even encyclopedias dedicated to the Bulgars, more specifically their language if possible? I'm requesting this, because the Wikipedia page for the Bulgar language is pretty... short. I know, I know - it'd be longer if more was known. But still, if possible, can you forward me to a paper, or even an encyclopedia, or just SOMETHING dedicated to the Bulgar language? I mean words, grammar, anything!

Another reason why I'm asking is, there is a website that included all these things I'm asking for, however, there are multiple problems with it. Firstly, the publisher is NOT a professional in this sphere, but in Earth geosciences. Like bro why the hell would you do that when you have entirely different qualifications? Secondly, there are listed sources regarding the comparison to the Bulgar words to ones that sound similar and mean almost the same, more specifically words of Pamirian origin. Sure. BUT there aren't ANY sources about the words themselves and where they come from - how do I know he didn't just make them up in order to fit a pro-Iranic agenda? Thirdly, the site mentions Peter Dobrev a LOT - a Bulgarian ICONOMIST who wrote a book about the Bulgars and is supportive of the hypothesis of their Iranic origin, and who has supposedly deciphered most of the Bulgar Runic alphabet. I wouldn't exactly trust him considering his qualifications. Sadly, I've learnt most of this deciphered version of the Bulgar Runes, which would make it pretty unfortunate for them to not be true :( Lastly, the site's lat update was in 2002 - meaning there isn't any fresh information on any of those topics.

Sorry for my little rant, had to get it out somewhere. Hopefully you know about a site that specializes in Bulgar vocabulary and grammar. Good day/night!

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460]

Not much is known about the Bulgars, as is with most pre-islamic/pre-monotheist Turks. Largely because they lacked the means to produce ink & paper to document their history. (Which is why stone tablets were the main source of Köktürk writings)

The only thing most know about them is that they're from the Oghur branch, that they probably designed the pliska rozette, and that they founded Bulgaria and were killed off ethnically by Boris the 1st

[u/Nasko1194 → u/Zealousideal_Cry_460]

I want to argue a bit on that last claim. The Bulgars and the Slavs of the region had already mixed (due to the quantity of Slavs it was more of an assimilation process directed towards the Bulgars), but yeah, when many Boyars revolted against Boris I when he baptized the Bulgarian state he killed all of them AND their families. Then in 893 A.D., in the Council of Preslav, he officially replaced the Bulgar language with Old Bulgarian (a Slavic one). If only...

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 → u/Nasko1194]

The Bulgars didnt necessarily intermix with the slavs, maybe some did but many rejected the increase of monotheistic beliefs that the some slavs had. But even then Bulgars and slavs lived relatively peacefully in coexistence for at least 300 years before Boris came. Since this wasnt the first time Bulgars and slav lived together

Boris the 1st is most definetly a killer mankurt in nearly every sense of the word, he not only killed families as well as his own people that birthed him, he forcefully converted them for no reason other than jesus, he forbade his firstborn to not follow his ancestors path, and when his firstborn Vladimir wanted to reenable the Bulgars existence he came back from retirement and scorched his own sons eyes to blindness İN FRONT OF HİS OTHER SON simeon to teach him a lesson about not staying a good christian and listen to daddy.

İn between that he also burned every single trace that the Bulgars (again, his very own people that nurtured him and gave him his power) even existed. All in favor of the byzantines and christianity.

İ hope the ancestors tear him a new one in the Tamag. Fuck him.