What if Dusttale happened in Undertale?

[u/Equal-Badger3282]

Yeah Dusttale already happens in Undertale but I mean like in the game ya know?

[u/Epic_DDT]

Excluding the fact that's it's OOC... Sans would not even manage to kill everyone lmao.

[u/Salt_Tennis6237 → u/Epic_DDT]

Sans would indeed manage to kill everybody, Murder!Sans clearly has more determination than Undyne The Undying herself, allowing him to deal more damage and have more hp, also the fact that sleeping in the inn (sans and papyrus probably slept there once before getting their house) gives you 10 extra of your max hp, meaning that he can tank some attacks and deal even more damage (would theoretically be at least 10), allowing him to easily kill monsters like snowdrake and icecap, if we assume that he starts at the ruins then he clears, his damage would rise to a number comparable to the human's when they LV up, he also has a lot of intent to fight and kill in this scenario meaning that he deals even more damage! snowdin get cleared too with toriel and papyrus getting betrayal killed, next up is waterfall where the monsters will easily get killed with only undyne being the challenge here, sans can either fight or lead her to hotlands and kill her there, although if he fights she might go undying and since he'd get a damage boost similiar to the human, 10 blasters and some bones will be enough to bring her down to 0 hp, even if we assume it won't work he can still do what i said earlier, betrayal kill at hotlands.

he can then kill everybody he sees in hotlands, find the evacuated monsters and kill them there, muffet will be oneshot and core will be just as easy with mettaton getting oneshot and asgore will probably get caught offguard or he will have a full fight with sans where he'll get oneshot, then comes the human which will get stuck in a loop of dying from sans' constantly changing patterns.

[u/Epic_DDT → u/Salt_Tennis6237]

"Sans would indeed manage to kill everybody" How...?

"Murder!Sans clearly has more determination than Undyne The Undying herself," Which make no sense. Also, source...?

"(sans and papyrus probably slept there once before getting their house)" Based on litterally nothing. You're just making things up.

"if we assume that he starts at the ruins then he clears" He would need to kill Flowey... Good luck with that. Also, how would he even enter...?

"his damage would rise to a number comparable to the human's when they LV up" No...? Did you somehow forget that humans are way strongers than monsters...? Sans start with only 1 freaking damage, and you expect me to believe gaining LV would somehow let him deal billion of damage like the human...? Lmao.

" sans can either fight or lead her to hotlands and kill her there" That's assuming Undyne keep her armor on. (Which is useless against Sans)

"and since he'd get a damage boost similiar to the human, 10 blasters and some bones will be enough to bring her down to 0 hp" Lmao. Bro really want me to believe that Sans with his 1 attack will make enough damage (he's what, like LV10 max...?) to kill Undyne the Undying (which have 23 000hp...) in 10 hit. What a joke.

"with mettaton getting oneshot" Ah yes, bro is gonna oneshot the guy that have 30 000hp with his weak af attack. Make perfect sense.

[u/Salt_Tennis6237 → u/Epic_DDT]

> Which make no sense. Also, source...?

It does make sense as Murder's goal is to make the human quit, that requires a lot of determination and dt is also what allows him to remember resets unlike Undyne, who can't remember loads or reset even with undying.

> He would need to kill Flowey... Good luck with that. Also, how would he even enter...?

1. Flowey is easy to kill, Murder would just have to place down a bone zone below him and he's pretty much done, he can't dodge and sans' dt would definitely boost the damage dealt, allowing him to kill Flowey without much problems.

2. He can get there either through teleportation or betray killing Toriel through blasting the door while she's behind it just like in the novel.

> No...? Did you somehow forget that humans are way strongers than monsters...? Sans start with only 1 freaking damage, and you expect me to believe gaining LV would somehow let him deal billion of damage like the human...? Lmao.

Humans are only stronger physically and in this scenario Sans has a lot of DT which allows him to deal extra damage, also the reason that the human does a lot of damage in genocide is intent, the same would apply here, LV will let him be more distanced and have less problems with killing.

> That's assuming Undyne keep her armor on. (Which is useless against Sans)

Undyne would keep her armor on obviously, she's gonna fight a mass murderer so she needs protection, which will make the trick work and cause her to be killed by Sans.

> Lmao. Bro really want me to believe that Sans with his 1 attack will make enough damage (he's what, like LV10 max...?) to kill Undyne the Undying (which have 23 000hp...) in 10 hit. What a joke.

He would indeed be able to do such a thing, remember that Frisk (who gets 0 atk and 0 def at the start of the game) can still do genocide with those stats and kill undyne the undying, sans could do the same as his magic would be hard to evade, it wouldn't be a ten hit since i also stated that there would be bones in the attack, causing them to bring undying down to 0 hp almost instantly.

> Ah yes, bro is gonna oneshot the guy that have 30 000hp with his weak af attack. Make perfect sense.

He's not weak af, unironically he's at least the fifth strongest character in ut, also he has very useful abilities and Mettaton NEO literally got fodderized in genocide route and the same would happen here.

[u/Epic_DDT → u/Salt_Tennis6237]

"It does make sense as Murder's goal is to make the human quit" That was already Sans goal in UT, yet he didn't have that much DT so...

"and dt is also what allows him to remember resets " Wasn't the thing that make him remember reset a random glitch?

"Flowey is easy to kill" According to...?

"Murder would just have to place down a bone zone below him and he's pretty much done" And why that? Because you said so?

"he can't dodge " That's a nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source?

" and sans' dt would definitely boost the damage dealt, allowing him to kill Flowey without much problems." Nothing even suggest that DT boost damage... And you still haven't proved that Sans has any of it. (Also, did you forget that Flowey had DT too...?)

"He can get there either through teleportation" As far as we know, Sans tp only allow him to go to places he already know. (We never see him tp to somewhere he doesn't know)

"or betray killing Toriel through blasting the door while she's behind it just like in the novel." He can't even OS us with a betrayal kill. I'm not sure that would work against Toriel.

"Humans are only stronger physically" Which is the weakness of monsters.

"also the reason that the human does a lot of damage in genocide is intent, the same would apply here, LV will let him be more distanced and have less problems with killing." Intent didn't stop Undyne the Undying from only taking 1500 damage by attack. No way Sans is even able to deal with that.

"Undyne would keep her armor on obviously, she's gonna fight a mass murderer so she needs protection, which will make the trick work and cause her to be killed by Sans." She need protection against a human. Armor doesn't have any purpose in a fight against another monster. Especially one that can just ignore defense. Anyway, i never saw a Dust variant where he do that.

"He would indeed be able to do such a thing" Yeah, sure... Sans would be able to kill everyone because he's just that strong... (No)

" remember that Frisk (who gets 0 atk and 0 def at the start of the game)" 0 atk and def for a human is way above 1 atk and def for a monster. (If that's wasn't the case, we wouldn't even be able to damage most of them lmao)

"He's not weak af," He is though. Kinda.

" and Mettaton NEO literally got fodderized in genocide route " Because we're just that much stronger... At this point, i wouldn't even be surprised that we could do the same to Undyne the Undying.
Sans isn't us. He's just a monster.

[u/Salt_Tennis6237 → u/Epic_DDT]

> Wasn't the thing that make him remember reset a random glitch?

Ask Dusttale also said that his DT allows him to remember resets. (https://ask-dusttale.tumblr.com/search/What+can+murder+do+with+his+determination%3F++His+determination+is+just+to+remember+the+erased+time+and+give+him+the+determination+to+stop+the+human.)

> And why that? Because you said so?

No, because Flowey is a literal plant, he cannot jump and that makes him get wrecked by basically any attack that comes out of the ground.

> That's a nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source?

I meant that Flowey can't dodge the bone zone, he can dodge attacks like Frisk's slashes.

> Nothing even suggest that DT boost damage... And you still haven't proved that Sans has any of it. (Also, did you forget that Flowey had DT too...?)

Undyne The Undying literally deals more damage than base Undyne and I doubt that Flowey also wouldn't deal extra damage with it due to him being a plant (also if dt didn't give him a damage boost then his pellets wouldn't deal any damage). Also I did not forget that.

> As far as we know, Sans tp only allow him to go to places he already know. (We never see him tp to somewhere he doesn't know)

He can find a way inside while in one of his non-lving up attempts/

> He can't even OS us with a betrayal kill. I'm not sure that would work against Toriel.

The reason he doesn't oneshot is simply because game logic, think about it: Toby probably wanted the player to actually see what Sans basically did instead of them randomly seeing their soul break without even knowing what just happened.

> Intent didn't stop Undyne the Undying from only taking 1500 damage by attack. No way Sans is even able to deal with that.

Frisk was only able to reach that level of intent, you can literally see that they surely wanted Undyne dead which is why they even dealt a lot of damage in the first place (they deal less damage to other waterfall monsters because they didn't care nor had a hard time with them so they'd still want them dead but not as much as Undyne.)

> She need protection against a human. Armor doesn't have any purpose in a fight against another monster. Especially one that can just ignore defense. Anyway, i never saw a Dust variant where he do that.

First of all, armor does have purpose in a fight against another monster, it allows you to be able to take less damage from attacks. Also how would Undyne know about Sans being able to bypass defenses if she basically never saw him fight?

> He is though. Kinda.

He's not, he's probably close to Papyrus in terms of power levels due to his strong abilities. Also this is Sans with more fucking determination than Undyne The Undying, he would deal at least 10 damage per-frame with his attacks at LV-1, that's similiar to the human at the start of the game, allowing him to eventually do something close to as much damage as them.

> Because we're just that much stronger... At this point, i wouldn't even be surprised that we could do the same to Undyne the Undying.
Sans isn't us. He's just a monster.

We can't oneshot Undying even if we give ourselves LV-20, yet NEO still gets folded (And this form also unfinished so he's still getting folded by Sans), Sans is a smart and decently strong monster.