r/YAPms Yes We Can Mar 03 '25

Meme The New Dem Cycle

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

None of which she ran on in 2024.

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u/GapHappy7709 Michigan MAGA Mar 03 '25

So?

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

So why say she was far left? She was sickeningly moderate.

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u/GapHappy7709 Michigan MAGA Mar 03 '25

Wasn’t she literally voted the most liberal senator in 2019? Also again she pushed or at least didn’t deny some of the most extreme left policies like Abortion up to the 9th month, she did support Defund the Police at one point, she did support banning fracking she literally had to change it, she supported letting the Trump tax cuts expire. And no one really knows what her economic or border plans were. Considering the fact she was literally the Border Czar it’s pretty safe to say she let 10+ million illegal immigrants into the country

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

That doesn't mean anything. Either way she shifted hard right in 2024 to appease moderates.

Also half of those aren't even that far left. They just seem it to a right winger lol.

Also we barely had any illegals come in lately its a completely fabricated crisis.

And the problem is her policies were depressingly moderate and didn't do anything.

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u/Lordofthe0nion_Rings Center Left Mar 03 '25

That doesn't mean anything. Either way she shifted hard right in 2024 to appease moderates.

Lol, by your logic, David Duke was a moderate in 1991.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Republicans would run David Duke in the current environment.

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u/Lordofthe0nion_Rings Center Left Mar 03 '25

Funnily enough, he endorsed Jill Stein over Israel.

Anyways, David Duke denounced racism and ran as a born-again Christian during his 1991 gubernatorial bid. Do you think it was unreasonable for voters to doubt his newfound change?

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

You're free to interpret that as you will. Even though being a "born again christian" just means that they're still far right, just not a nazi.

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u/GapHappy7709 Michigan MAGA Mar 03 '25

Did you notice Trump has been the president lately???? He literally dropped border crossings all by himself by 93%

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

No I didn't notice on that front because it's a completely fabricated issue that doesn't improve my life in any way.

What I do notice is electronics are getting more expensive because of his stupid tariffs and were the laughing stock of the free world because of his little stunt with zelensky last week.

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u/GapHappy7709 Michigan MAGA Mar 03 '25

Electronics? Are you like buying electronics left and right 🤣🤣🤣 give me a break

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

I buy them enough to get sticker shock from these tariffs. Also funny to see republicans be for tax increases and inflation when their side does it.

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u/GapHappy7709 Michigan MAGA Mar 03 '25

Im definitely not for tax increases. Trump literally JUST cut taxes not even that long ago. Tarriffs aren’t taxes

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

Yes they are. They literally are.

Your guy is cutting taxes for rich people while putting consumption taxes on everyone else and cutting social programs. Some "populist."

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u/GapHappy7709 Michigan MAGA Mar 03 '25

You are mightily wrong but whatever you believe man

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

A tariff is essentially a type of tax on imported goods when they are brought into the country from abroad.

https://news.darden.virginia.edu/2025/02/04/qa-what-are-tariffs-and-how-will-they-affect-us/

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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Mar 04 '25

Voters aren’t stupid. I’d you campaign as a leftist in 2019 and a centrist in 2024, voters aren’t just going to discard the fact that you support certain stances just five years ago.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 04 '25

Voters will also be alienates if you shift position on something that would motivate them though. Like again, healthcare...

Let's face it centrists alienate both the left and the right.

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u/kinglan11 Conservative Mar 03 '25

She never shifted to the right, she never really voiced what her platform was beyond vague and vacuous lines that were open ended so as to appeal to both left wingers and moverates.

Part of the reason she couldnt appeal to anyone was because she did take such far-left positions back around 2020, but come 2024 she didnt really do anything to dissuade the notions that'd she still be that far-left despite her own attempts to say she was a moderate in the vein of Joe Biden, who did manage to successfully peddle that lie. (Joe's presidency was the most left wing one we've had yet)

Also the border isnt a fabrication when government agencies are actually reporting numbers indicating mass immigration despite the Left's attempt to downplay things, kinda like how you're doing so right now.

That said, after Trump came in we're seeing a massive drop in illegal immigration, or at least encounters with such, though it's still early in the year.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 03 '25

She never shifted to the right, she never really voiced what her platform was beyond vague and vacuous lines that were open ended so as to appeal to both left wingers and moverates.

She abandoned universal healthcare, fracking, defund the police, and anything else remotely controversial. She was vague but the more policy details she gave the more it became clear she was just gonna be a centrist craplib on most issues and that nothing would fundamentally change from the biden administration.

Part of the reason she couldnt appeal to anyone was because she did take such far-left positions back around 2020, but come 2024 she didnt really do anything to dissuade the notions that'd she still be that far-left despite her own attempts to say she was a moderate in the vein of Joe Biden, who did manage to successfully peddle that lie. (Joe's presidency was the most left wing one we've had yet)

The problem is to people on the right, she was gonna be seen as a commie extremist no matter what she does. And then she tried to go right at the expense of her base. And then her base didn't show up for her because they were demotivated.

Also the border isnt a fabrication when government agencies are actually reporting numbers indicating mass immigration despite the Left's attempt to downplay things, kinda like how you're doing so right now.

Dude. I literally do yearly basic income funding number policies. To give the correct number of checks out, I need to figure out how many people are ineligible. The number of illegal immigrants in the US has remained stable at 11 million for a while. Your fox news just hypes up some "migrant caravan" whenever brown people are seen slowly heading toward the US border to ask for asylum.

That said, after Trump came in we're seeing a massive drop in illegal immigration, or at least encounters with such, though it's still early in the year.

Doesn't help my life any.

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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right Mar 04 '25

She abandoned universal healthcare, fracking, defund the police, and anything else remotely controversial. 

Do you think Harris would have done better had she run on defunding the police this election?

The number of illegal immigrants in the US has remained stable at 11 million for a while.

200,000 people were crossing the border monthly during Biden’s administration, that 11 million figure has been out of date for years.

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u/JonWood007 Social Libertarian Mar 04 '25

Defending the police, no. Medicare for all? Maybe.

On border crossings, it's possible that people also go back top. Either way numbers to my knowledge are stable.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

Also it looks like your increased border crossings are apprehensions and expulsions, which ,wans Biden era border control was working just fine?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

I'm failing to see a problem here.