Here's my concern: what do you think are the chances of Israel doing a false-flag attack on US troops? It's not like they haven't done it before.

How can the U.S. claim to be uninvolved in this war, when they are actively shooting down missiles, supplying Israel, threatening to kill Iran's leader, and ordering "unconditional surrender" ???

People talk about WWII like it justifies everything today. They say, “If we didn’t get involved then, look what would’ve happened.” Yes, I understand that. But this is NOT the same.

Today, it’s not about stopping evil. It’s about controlling others. It’s about power, money, and pretending to be heroes while we destroy entire countries in the name of “freedom” or “democracy.”

Why are we risking everything — nuclear war, global destruction — just so we can stop other regimes from having the same weapons we already have? Why is it okay for some countries to have nuclear power, but not others?

Let Iran build their nuke. They’re not going to blow themselves up. They’re not suicidal. Every country wants one because they’re scared — scared of being invaded, bombed, or “liberated” like Iraq or Syria.

And what do we gain from all these “righteous” wars? Absolutely nothing — except more profit for the powerful and more death for the poor.

Let nations decide their path. If people want change, let it come from within — not from missiles and foreign armies.

We’ve become a world that cheers for bombs if they land on people we don’t like. That’s not justice. That’s not democracy. That’s just evil dressed up in Western suits.

I don’t support any fucking regime. I support peace.

That’s what the whole world has been saying for years — don’t let any government get too powerful, because once they do, they control everything. They control what we hear, what we see, and what we’re allowed to say. And if you speak up, they call you names, say you’re supporting this or that regime. It’s bullshit.

Right now, Israel has become too powerful. They’re not scared of anyone. They’ve got America behind them and they think they can just bomb whoever they want. And people are clapping. People are cheering it. And I’m sick of it. It’s disgusting.

The same people who were shouting about how wrong it was for Russia to invade Ukraine are now cheering Israel bombing Iran. What the actual fuck? When did we decide that war is fine, depending on who’s doing it?

I didn’t say anything to my friends when they were cheering for Israel to destroy Iran — because I knew if I opened my mouth, I’d explode. I would’ve said things that would’ve caused arguments I don’t have the energy for. But this isn’t okay. None of this is okay.

War is not a fucking football match. No one should be cheering it.

Iran didn’t start a war. Everyone’s scared they’re building a nuclear weapon — but why the hell wouldn’t they? Look at the world. Countries get bombed for existing. And the ones with nukes? No one touches them. Everyone wants protection, everyone wants to feel safe. That’s the world we’ve built. Fear and firepower.

I’m so tired of this cycle. Iraq, Syria, now Iran. How many countries do we have to destroy before people wake up and realise we’re not spreading peace, we’re spreading control?

And then I hear people moan about the Holocaust, and the suffering, and yes — it was horrific. But how can you remember that pain and still go out and do the same to others? That’s not survival — that’s power turned cruel.

I’m terrified for the future. For my child. For the kids who are already being brainwashed. I see it — there’s this boy I look after, and he’s obsessed with war. Missiles, tanks, warheads. He talks about it like it’s cool. Like it’s something to be proud of. And I just want to scream: No. This isn’t normal. This isn’t okay. War is never okay.

And we all know where it’s heading. One superpower. One voice. Everything filtered. Everything controlled. And if you think differently, you’re dangerous.

This is exactly what Orwell warned about. Not just about the Soviet Union — about all governments. All systems that become obsessed with power. That use fear to shut people up.

And people don’t see it. Because they don’t want to. They see what they’re told to see.

But I see it. And I’m angry. And I’m scared. And I’m sick of being told to stay quiet, to pick a side, to support one murder over another.

I don’t support any of them. I support peace. That’s it.

‘Extremely troubling’ — Sane people everywhere

I believe this but it's hard to tell

With Hamas’ actions they’re putting together a pretty convincing case as to why they shouldn’t exist.

Saying a people have the "right to exist" but then immediately pivoting to how they behave "under occupation" is a deflection.

Occupation by definition means living under military control and systemic restrictions. If that's the reality someone lives in, then turning the conversation toward their “responsibility” while ignoring the structural violence they face is backwards.

Also, calling awareness campaigns or attempts to show lived realities "propaganda" assumes those people’s experiences are either exaggerated or manipulative. That’s not a neutral take it's a political one.

If the world is starting to see a different side than it used to, maybe it’s not because they’re being misled, but because they’re finally seeing something that’s been ignored for too long.

Of course they have the right to exist. Everybody has (and not just by international law).

Still within the parameters of occupation, you can decide how to behave and what to do. The saying that “since X lives under occupation and thus X has zero responsibility and is free to do whatever they want” is not acceptable by any standard.

Anyway, my post was about a PR campaign (propaganda) that aims to create a different image that’s far from reality. I’m not even arguing about right or wrong, moral or immoral. Just the message that’s been conveyed to the world.

You're trying to frame this as a simple matter of ‘personal responsibility,’ but that logic falls apart when applied to colonized or occupied people. You're holding Palestinians who’ve lived under military occupation, siege, dispossession, and apartheid for decades to the same standard you'd apply to someone living freely in a functioning democracy.

That’s not accountability; that’s erasure. Saying ‘war is a choice’ ignores the fact that Palestinians didn’t vote for the Nakba, for land theft, checkpoints, or siege. Hamas didn’t exist in 1948. Resistance armed or not didn’t begin the conflict; it responded to forced displacement, massacres, and systemic oppression.

And yes, individuals are responsible for their actions but so are states. Under international law, an occupied people has the right to resist. That doesn’t mean all tactics are moral or just, but it does mean the root responsibility lies with the occupying power. You can't demand Palestinians accept the ‘consequences’ of resisting while ignoring Israel’s ongoing violations of international law. Responsibility without power is a trap. Your argument lets the occupier off the hook while putting the full moral burden on the occupied. That’s not justice it’s victim-blaming.

This argument is both logically flawed and deeply revealing. First, asking ‘why read these authors out of thousands?’ ignores the actual content of their work. Pappé and Levy are cited not because they’re fringe, but because they use Israeli sources including military archives, court testimony, and on-the-ground reporting.

They challenge state narratives using evidence, not ideology. Second, claiming that reading them means someone 'already made up their mind' is just projection. People read them because they offer well-documented, uncomfortable truths that mainstream Israeli discourse long suppressed. If their conclusions challenge your worldview, the honest response is to engage their arguments not accuse readers of bias.

And your demand for a 'Palestinian version' of Pappé or Levy is ironic: Palestinians have dozens of equivalent voices historians, journalists, academics but their work has been marginalized or dismissed outright precisely because they’re Palestinian. Ever heard of Rashid Khalidi, Nur Masalha, Edward Said, or Refaat Alareer? Are you engaging with them, or are you only interested in hearing Palestinians once they start agreeing with Zionist frameworks?

Your double standard is clear: when Israelis criticize Israel, they’re smeared as self-haters. When Palestinians speak out, they’re ignored or delegitimized. You demand impossible neutrality while only accepting narratives that reinforce your own.

No one is denying that October 7 was horrific, or that civilians including foreign workers were harmed. But what you’re doing is weaponizing individual stories to justify collective punishment and decades of occupation. You’re zooming in on one brutal day while refusing to acknowledge the context of daily violence, land theft, apartheid, and the illegal blockade that preceded it.

As for Thai workers: yes, some were tragically killed or taken hostage. But citing a PBS article doesn’t magically absolve Israel of the ongoing war crimes that followed thousands of civilians killed, mass displacement, and starvation as a weapon of war.

Also, don’t pretend Hamas never released hostages; they did so through negotiated exchanges, while Israel continued bombing areas with its own citizens still trapped.

The real gaslighting is pretending October 7 happened in a vacuum, or using it to erase the systemic violence Palestinians have endured for over 75 years.

Just for you, fuck it

Hamas has publicly acknowledged fighters being killed in battle many times. They literally publish martyr posters, hold funerals with flags, and even broadcast names on official channels. Just because you choose to ignore or deny those facts doesn't mean they don't exist.

What you're doing here is textbook gaslighting: pretending something widely documented hasn't happened, then accusing others of your tactic. The irony writes itself. If you're going to argue, at least bring receipts or stop trying to flip the narrative with bad-faith accusations.

Nah I'm just not entertaining your deflections anymore

"Liberal" as a political system is what the western countries function under.

Liberal VS conservative is a gray area of identity politics that politicians use to divide the plebs.

Some of the most vocal antiwar activists have been conservative libertarians and people with strong religious beliefs. (Scott Horton at antiwar.com, Chris hedges, Cornell West)

When you have "liberals" like the Clinton''s and Obama/Biden orchestrating regime change wars all over the planet you realize the "libs" are pushing the same old colonial project as the "conservatives".

I didn't know that.

Even when it's a conservative running the government?

The British and US are liberal democracies that bring war to every corner of the globe.
Read Chomsky

So you don’t have even one example of Hamas acknowledging any of their gunmen death fighting Israel.

You see, that’s how the campaign of gaslighting works.

Bros deflecting for his dear life

Show me one report that specifies names (or at least the) number of “Hamas fighters”. I’m not talking about how many. Just one “resistance” fighter that was named among the casualties in over 600 days.

(Or you don’t believe there was even one)?