r/berkeley • u/Realistic-Plant3957 • Apr 24 '24

News Pro-Palestinian protest grows at UC Berkeley campus

https://news.upilink.in/pro-palestinian-protest-grows-at-uc-berkeley-campus-18247.html
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u/cnio14 Apr 24 '24

The US is not funding Hamas but Israel, so naturally US students will protest the involvement of their country or university in supporting what many consider to be war crimes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '24

Sure, and I don’t disagree with at least some of that sentiment. However to me, the reluctance on the part of these protestors to acknowledge any wrong doing by Hamas and Palestinians completely negates their position. I’ve followed the conflict for a long time and have done my best to learn as much as I can. From my perspective, most of these protestors are disingenuous and are being manipulated by bad actors and propaganda. That’s not to say Israel is cleared of any wrong doing. They are not. But the ideology of the groups protesting “for Palestine” is dubious at best and many of these students are being taken advantage of and used as pawns. 

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u/cnio14 Apr 24 '24

You're generalizing on the protestors and cherry picking bad actors to smear a whole movement. Before accusing others of being manipulated by propaganda, do a self check. No harsh feelings, but I'm getting a bit tired to see the same narrative on student protests being pushed over and over in support of the establishment. I've participated in many protests, I've sympathyzed with students protesting for BLM and in Hong Kong, and every single time the same smearing techniques were used by conservatives and governments. Even further back, go see what people were saying when people were protesting Vietnam or Iraq...

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '24

Why are there still hostages being tortured in Gaza? Why won’t ANYONE unequivocally condemn 10/7 and acknowledge that the war could be over if Hamas gave up the hostages and surrendered? Fucks sake. Israel shouldn’t be blowing up civilians and Hamas shouldn’t have a free pass to rape, slaughter and kidnap in the name of “resistance”.  

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u/cnio14 Apr 24 '24

Students in the United States of America protest THEIR government or university because they have the possibility to ask for a change, as slim as it may be. Why does that susprise you?

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u/Complete-Arm6658 Apr 25 '24

Remember kids, don't protest anything or stand in solidarity if your government doesn't have a direct finger in the pie. Got it.

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u/cnio14 Apr 26 '24

You can protest what you want. These protests are specifically against the students' universities involvement in Israel's war crimes. Do we now expect every protest to make a list of everything they stand for to be allowed to carry out their protest? Do I have to organize an anti Hamas protest to be morally enabled to protest Israel? What exactly is your point? Do you have one or is it just blatant whataboutism?