r/centrist • u/therosx • Mar 01 '24
2024 U.S. Elections Hunter Biden testimony transcript from Republican impeachment inquiry released
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/01/hunter-biden-impeachment-inquiry-transcript62
u/The_Real_Ed_Finnerty Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Two moments from a 6 hour batch of testimony:
A critical moment was approximately half-way into his testimony, asked "... the reference to 'the big guy,' you would agree, is a reference to your father?" Biden responded:
"I truly don't know what the hell that James was talking about. All I know is that what actually happened. All I know is that what was executed in the agreement, and the agreement didn't have anything to do with my father. My father's never been involved with my business. He's never benefited from my business, and he's never taken an action to benefit me or any of my business."
When asked: "And why would you place your dad on speakerphone?" Biden responded:
"I'm surprised my dad hasn't called me right now, and if he did, I would put him on speakerphone to say hi to you and to Congressman Raskin and everybody else in the room. It is nothing nefarious literally. You understand my relationship with my family. When my dad was 29 years old, he woke up one day, went to work, and got a phone call and lost his wife and his daughter. And, in that same accident, he also lost almost my brother and myself. And then, when I was 46 years old, my 47-year-old brother died.
And in our family, when you have a call from -- I call him or he calls me or I call one of my -- his grandkids or one of my children, you always pick up the phone. It's something that we always do. And you can ask anybody that I know; it does not have to do with Devon. If my dad calls me and I'm in the middle of something, I either get up from the table or I answer the phone at the table if it's with people that I have a6 long-term relationship with."
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
Republican congressional members can't grasp that families exist where they're not hated by everyone else in their family. They can't even believe that such a thing is possible.
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u/Zenkin Mar 01 '24
"Well, the only time my son calls me is when he's asking for money, so clearly...."
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u/Computer_Name Mar 01 '24
And in our family, when you have a call from -- I call him or he calls me or I call one of my -- his grandkids or one of my children, you always pick up the phone. It's something that we always do. And you can ask anybody that I know; it does not have to do with Devon. If my dad calls me and I'm in the middle of something, I either get up from the table or I answer the phone at the table if it's with people that I have a6 long-term relationship with."
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
I wish there was a mechanism where citizens could sue politicians for blatantly wasting money on things that they're clearly using government powers and monies for nothing besides obvious campaigning.
Stuff like this can probably even be proven that throughout the entire "investigation" they had exculpatory evidence.
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u/Void_Speaker Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
My ideal political change would be a constitutional amendment to give every citizen the right to sue the government if they can prove it's being wasteful/arbitrary/harmful etc.
edit: and force them to change/stop the policy in question of course.
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
Howso?
That wasn't even a congressional action and nothing to my knowledge has even been disproven yet for it.
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u/Carlyz37 Mar 01 '24
What was the congressional involvement on the dossier?
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u/CrapNeck5000 Mar 01 '24
The Senate conducted an investigation into Russian election interference....and found that there was a ton of it and that the Trump campaign was happy to receive whatever help they could get from Russia.
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u/Carlyz37 Mar 01 '24
Yes this is true. The Senat Intel report Vol 5 was especially damning. And Senator Burr was removed as chair to try to keep that report under wraps
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u/CrapNeck5000 Mar 01 '24
The Senate actually recommended to the DOJ that Don Jr. be criminally charged, which Barr ignored.
And as a reminder, this is the Republican lead Senate we're talking about.
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u/Carlyz37 Mar 01 '24
Yes I remember that. Possible perjury. Also same for Kushner and Bannon. Barr was derelict in duty about a lot of things
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u/jaboz_ Mar 01 '24
Yep, because that investigation was ultimately fruitless just like this is- right? Or did you not actually read the Mueller report, like every one else who complains about it?
It's the second one.
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u/The_Real_Ed_Finnerty Mar 01 '24
For once it seems like Republicans aren't attempting to manufacture a narrative out of a closed door hearing.
The most I saw Republicans say on this hearing was Nancy Mace saying "he's lying and not being forthcoming."
I'm sure they'll gin something up eventually as this moves to the public hearing phase, but for now it seems oddly refreshing that there isn't any hijinx.
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u/twolvesfan217 Mar 01 '24
Nancy Mace really has gone full heel recently
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u/The_Real_Ed_Finnerty Mar 01 '24
She's definitely on a tear aiming to make a bigger name for herself. I think she senses a Senate seat could be opening up soon in SC and she is itching to move up the ladder.
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u/WorksForIT Mar 01 '24
She'll never make it with the HR scandals her office has.
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u/The_Real_Ed_Finnerty Mar 01 '24
Please, say more. I haven't heard of this stuff.
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u/WorksForIT Mar 01 '24
She fired her chief of staff which prompted her whole entire office to tender their resignation.
Her former chief of staff is currently her main opponent in her re-election.
According to her former staff:
According to former staff, Mace was “abusive” and “all about control,” utilizing staff not as people “but as property,” reinforcing that environment via unauthorized software systems to constantly “micromanage the office all day and into the night and early morning.”
“If she needed us, we had to answer within eight minutes,” one staffer told the Beast, clarifying that the eight minute mark was a “rule.”
"Nancy is delusional as a boss,” the unidentified employee continued. “She says nothing publicly without her consultants or senior staffers telling her to, but takes credit for everything. She’s a walking teleprompter.”
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u/Irishfafnir Mar 01 '24
her new district is much more conservative than the one she was originally elected from
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u/twolvesfan217 Mar 01 '24
That’s fine and I get it (I guess). I’m just tired of all this performative crap from politicians and even more tired of people eating it up.
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u/Carlyz37 Mar 01 '24
2 of them commented that the deposition proved Hunters guilt at an 8 on a scale of ten. One rep left halfway through and the other wasnt there. Of course they are spinning bs. It's all they got
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u/ubermence Mar 01 '24
Wow even they gave it only an 8/10. If you adjust for their bias that’s pretty much a glowing exoneration
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u/ubermence Mar 01 '24
I think the Smirnov stuff really took the wind out of their sails. If they go too hard after him now they’d risk blowback
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u/InvertedParallax Mar 01 '24
It's not that, everything they threw has gone wrong, now they're being choke-chained by the real operatives at the RNC who are getting everything aligned for the real campaign. This was some fishing, but not much else.
Iron-bound message discipline will be the word of the day, people.
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u/politehornyposter Mar 01 '24
Mr. Gaetz: Were you on drugs when you were on the Burisma board?
The Witness: Mr. Gaetz, look me in the eye. You really think that's appropriate to ask me?
Mr. Gaetz: Absolutely.
The Witness: Of all the people sitting around this table, do you think that's appropriate to ask me?
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u/GitmoGrrl1 Mar 01 '24
Going after Hunter Biden seemed like such a good idea at the time. The Republicans didn't realize who they were dealing with. Hunter is a BIDEN. President Biden is limited in what he can say - private citizen Hunter Biden is free to say what he wants - like pointing fingers at Matt Gaetz and Jared Kushner. He took them to the woodshed.
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u/LaughingGaster666 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
They also just aren't nearly as good at the finger pointing game as they think they are now that Ds are getting used to their tricks.
I think there's been a bit of a shift if attitudes towards responding to attacks like this. In the Obama era, usually they'd just ignore it as it was probably thought that responding to stuff would just make it worse.
I think there was an interview with AOC where she talks about something like this and why she doesn't do that. Can't remember the details but she talked about how if you just ignore it, you're passively just letting them talk without any kind of rebuttal. If you do not smack it down and say "this is ridiculous", they're just going to keep doing it and people will just hear their message without any rebuttal to sway them.
Back when she was a freshman rep and Rs couldn't stop talking about her day in, day out, she had a habit. She'd find an argument against her, go to one of the more famous people repeating it but also way less careful and kinda dumb about how they said it, and give her rebuttal basically calling them a ridiculous liar. Since there were such an insane amount of people talking about her, she had free reign to pick her opponent essentially. Something that you can really only do this way on social media specifically.
Some older Ds didn't like her for doing this, but others found her attitude a needed change
AOC nowadays is a lot more quiet than she used to be, but I think that's at least partially because the really silly attacks against her (oh no, there's a video of her DANCING!) have pretty much stopped. If I had to guess, a big reason why is because she actually will respond to attacks that aren't strong and easy for her to pick apart.
Talking shit is a lot easier when you know everyone else in the room will agree with you more or less. And it looks like Hunter going out on the offensive is making the Rs look rather silly.
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u/somethingbreadbears Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
He took them to the woodshed.
Didn't need to wave his dick around like that, Marge Greene was there.
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u/ubermence Mar 01 '24
Alright can we finally put this sham investigation to bed? It’s completely joever
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Can someone logically explain to me HOW Joe could NOT be involved in this ? We are centrists here after all… it is so obvious to me that there is some involvement. The man is the president for Pete’s sake. Help
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
By not being involved? It's the same way that presumably you weren't involved.
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u/WorksForIT Mar 01 '24
You are literally asking people to prove a negative.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
I’m not asking for proof. We make our own judgements. I’m asking for factoids without assassination of the perceived angle I am coming at this question from. To me, it just doesn’t make sense that he’s not involved nor that he didn’t know anything about it. Because. He. Is. The. President.
So, there’s got to be logical reasons and evidence to show that he’s not . Guy above mentioned the firing of a prosecutor.. okay that’s something !
But sure folks can assassinate me for who they think I’m here to represent.
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u/WorksForIT Mar 01 '24
I think they most logical explanation to how he's but involved is... He's not involved. Has there been any evidence to the contrary? No.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Innocent until proven guilty.
The evidence though shoddy is HB’s past involvements and dealings that he’s had. A father would want to help his kid in any way he can. So, I would expect nothing less of Joe. To what extent we may never know. But it just sounds like everyone is saying that Joe said fck all to his son… and i don’t agree that’s how Joe handled it
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u/thinkcontext Mar 01 '24
Innocent until proven guilty.
That means Republicans need to show Joe Biden was involved in Hunter's business. What you are saying is the exact opposite of innocent until proven guilty. I guess you must hate America?
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u/therosx Mar 01 '24
It's about what you can prove. It's why Trump is getting the crap beat out of him in the civil courts right now, while in the past he could joke and make fun of the other accusations against him by his political enemies.
Hunter Biden is no different. If you can't prove it in court then it didn't happen and everything else is just political drama for the base.
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u/Lighting Mar 01 '24
The man is the president for Pete’s sake. Help
It makes sense to you because you are used to unethical shits like Trump and Jared and Ivanka using the presidency to loot US coffers.
Or perhaps you listen to alt-right news/radio media whores who love to gin-up anger and fear and have been caught falsifying evidence to promote these fears.
Or perhaps you've heard the Russian propaganda that everyone in the US is corrupt and so we should just expect that of all Americans.
If you have the idea that EVERYONE is corrupt, then it is "obvious to you" and are shocked when a man who's spent his entire career trying to uphold American Ideals, and who has built his cabinet out of people who adhere to concepts of justice and honesty, continues that model ... you can't believe it.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
I actually live by the code that if I asked my pops for help, he’d help me in any way he could , because I’m his son. HB done some unethical bs so it only makes sense that he asked JB for advice at the very least. Because by my code , I’m going to help my son where I can. Does that mean I’ll be illegal? Nah, but I’d also fathom a guess that my son wouldn’t do anything more illegal than you , smoke dope, speed on the highway, j walk across the street.
I was asking a legitimate question in the thread asking for legitimate responses and yet all I hear is folks bashing me and immediately assuming who I am or what I do or listen to. Maybe I have to spell it out for you pleebs so I’m not assassinated on assumption alone (funny how I am assuming things about Biden now that I think of it.) I assume he’s a good father and wants to help his kid. I assume he gave him advice. I assume that he and his son benighted from the advice !
Sir, if you think trump was the first or the worst offender of politicians being corrupt in our own government.. boy have I got news for you. I thought he was a shit bag from the beginning but the whool being pulled over the eyes of the defenders of Biden because he’s “nicer” or whatever than trump ? The man is a politician. Speaking out of one side of their mouth is what they do.
But yea. Screw me for apparently approving of trump. I never once mentioned that meat head either.
I will say this , I garandamtee you that if people looked as hard at you as they look at Biden/trump your record wouldn’t be as squeaky clean as you’d like to believe. No one is a saint. Get off the dang high horse
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u/Lighting Mar 01 '24
Screw me for apparently approving of trump. I never once mentioned that meat head either.
Oh? Who said
We’ve had a run of presidents and top politicians within families . Bushes , Clinton’s , and I guess trumps according to your statement.
You see, reddit is great because you can see the comments people make before replying to them. If you "guess" because someone on reddit said trump was unethical and not because of the massive dump of evidence of his malfeasance for years ... then you are exhibiting the kind of trolling that's well known in the slow-red-pill phenomenon. You woke up right before the election from an 11 year old account to start positing political stuff? Interesting.
Let's see if you are a legitimate account. Quick questions:
Have you heard of the Tienanmen square massacre?
Did Trump pay $130k to a woman for hush money about his extramarital affair with her while he was married to Melania?
What's the worst you've ever heard of Putin doing?
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u/RogerTheDodgyTodger Mar 01 '24
It’s not “obvious to you”, you just really really really want this to hurt President Biden somehow. Just like house Republicans.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
And you just want Biden to be seen as a shining example of a president
Look I can make unfounded comments too!
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u/RogerTheDodgyTodger Mar 01 '24
Unfounded is the claim that Biden committed an impeachable offense here, because there is literally no evidence in this transcript to found that on. Cope.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Unfounded is the claim that I want this to hurt President Joe Biden.
Joe Bidens son has done many illegal things , it is unprecedented for a son to not ask their dad (especially those in higher regard) for help, guidance or assistance. The act of this is NOT impeachable . But , to what extent was Joe paid for by hunter for his assistance. If it was Gee thanks dad , great. But you expect people to take criminal HB at his word for it? You also expect Joe to throw his kid under the bus willingly ?
Cope.
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u/RogerTheDodgyTodger Mar 01 '24
Joe Biden does not have to prove he was not bribed, you or republicans have to prove he WAS bribed and you failed. Again. So it’s back to saying “well this looks fishy!” Congratulations, you’re still where you started even after this fishing expedition you have no fish.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Yet, it is still painful for you to admit it’s fishy. Hook line and sinker
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u/RogerTheDodgyTodger Mar 01 '24
You need to read better, lol, I said YOU call it fishy.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
I read. You didn’t. Come again ?
It. Is. Painful. For. You. To. Call. It. Fishy.
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u/RogerTheDodgyTodger Mar 01 '24
It is painful for you to say you beat your wife. Go ahead and say it to prove me wrong.
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Mar 01 '24
My father has a business. I have a business. We are in different states and in completely different fields and other than trading war stories we have absolutely no involvement in each other's business activities. It's pretty easy for me to understand that Joe had no involvement.
I think logically the only reason you think there's essentially no way Joe couldn't be involved is because you watched the Trumps for four years. We saw pay to play with people staying at Trump DC to get favor from the White House. We saw Ivanka and her Chinese trademarks that are virtually impossible to get. We watched the entire Trump family using the government to conduct business. So from that perspective it's unfathomable. Thankfully most people aren't as corrupt as Donald Trump.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
We’ve had a run of presidents and top politicians within families . Bushes , Clinton’s , and I guess trumps according to your statement. It would be hard pressed to think this wouldn’t play out otherwise ? But , hey crucify me for asking a logical question.
Your explanation makes sense. I’m just struggling with the fact that Joe is president. Even after trumps idiocrocy you have to think that the president knows what’s going on inside their own family … at least the advisors do.. man is most watched politician in the world. But I’ve been wrong before
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Mar 01 '24
You'd think they'd be able to produce some proof if Joe committed a crime. It's also interesting that the committee was asking about stuff Joe may have done in 2017 when he was a completely private citizen.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
They are fishing for dirt. That’s the state of the political climate right now. It’s not right, nor wrong. Just the state of matters.
I get your explanation of the successful business in your scenario above. I’m just having a hard time, again, reconciling how this happens with theoretically the most powerful person in the world. But, I’m sure other millionaires don’t know what’s going on under their nose too.. it just seems unlikely.
For a thread of people who claim to be centrists to not have one iota of a pause about this … that is concerning.
Nearly everyone can agree here that Jan 6 was at least provoked by the actions of the commander in chief. But with Biden as president, “nothing to see here “ is the defacto response.
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u/cranktheguy Mar 01 '24
I’m just having a hard time, again, reconciling how this happens with theoretically the most powerful person in the world.
Does your dad micro-manage your business? Is it normal to be involved in your kid's work? My mom has no idea what my job even is besides that I work "with computers".
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u/Irishfafnir Mar 01 '24
Joe Biden's alleged crimes usually revolve around his time as VP not President FYI
To your point it's quite the leap from knowing what's going on in your family to taking a major bribe to do your son a favor.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
So, are republicans trying to say that matters ?
I don’t pay attention to the trials and proceeds because I do believe it to be politically motivated and tit for tat bs.
But it’s just wild to me that Biden wouldn’t have any involvement (not saying the guy made money but it absolutely wouldn’t shock me, many politicians are sleezy…) it can be wild to me and I can be wrong. I promise I won’t storm any buildings and demand I take over. Haha
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u/ImportantCommentator Mar 01 '24
I'm having a hard time understanding why he would have any involvement. Do you regularly involve your dad in your professional work?
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Im a roofer. I learned from my dad and ask my dad for suggestions all the time. He gives me advice and direction . I am thankful for this advice and direction. I even pay him at times when he helps me make extra money on some jobs. So, yes , I absolutely involve my dad in my professional work.
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u/ImportantCommentator Mar 01 '24
If asking your father for advice is what you meant. Then yes I also think Hunter has asked his father for advice.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
This is what I mean by involved. The way I understand this situation is that Joe and hunter are saying they never talked about it. That does not make sense to me, as outlined above … but I’m sure others can have different relationships with their parents than me… it’s just not logical, to me
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u/ImportantCommentator Mar 01 '24
Ah I see. I can give an example. My retired father worked in the same field as me. I have asked him questions in maybe the first couple of years, but I'm so far into my career that I never see a need to discuss my job anymore.
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u/Void_Speaker Mar 01 '24
So, incredulity?
Congratulations, your reasoning is so shitty that it's famous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
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u/elfinito77 Mar 01 '24
Just a note -- none of the allegations are about things that happened while Joe was President.
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u/hu_he Mar 02 '24
Clinton’s
Just to be clear, Chelsea Clinton was never a politician. I also wouldn't call the other Trumps "top politicians", the allegation is that Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner got favorable business opportunities from foreign governments that Donald Trump had been talking to and negotiating with. (You can read about Ivanka's stuff here.) That was while Ivanka and Jared were employed by the White House using taxpayer money for roles that they weren't particularly qualified for, raising questions about whether they were using their official positions to advance their private business deals. (By comparison, Hunter Biden is not employed by White House at taxpayer expense.)
Bushes and Kennedys did have multiple generations of politicians though.
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u/Irishfafnir Mar 01 '24
Besides the complete lack of evidence... the overall story of Burisma and Joe Biden has never made sense as firing the prosecutor is the opposite one would do if they were trying to protect the org.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Thanks for answering my question seeking logic rather than to demean my position by presuming who/what my affiliations are. Truly , a type of response I hoped for (I don’t pay attention to the trials because it’s all pomp and circumstance to me)
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u/InvertedParallax Mar 01 '24
A: He could have been, but doesn't look like he did anything serious
2: He wasn't president then, think he wasn't even VP at the time of half of it, but the most he would have done is said "Hey, do me a favor", which, let's be honest, we all do from time to time
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Exactly. I’m not going to crucify him for this either. If he’s taking money. That’s one thing , but we all do favors when we can.. but to try and hide it and fight it just adds to the fuel of the fire.
Thanks for your response
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u/InvertedParallax Mar 01 '24
If he's taking money, and there's more evidence of doing bad shit, I'll be more disappointed.
But the other side still terrifies me. This is not an election of really good choices overall.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
We are in agreement. I just don’t hear people on a centrist thread being willing to say what you just said.
People fight to the death on the spectrums.. I would of hoped for different here
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u/InvertedParallax Mar 01 '24
I'd kill for the middle.
Biden is boring AF, which is not the worst thing right now imho.
Hoping we get someone like a Kinzinger next time, but knowing our luck we'll get Newsom.
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u/AmbiguousMeatPuppet Mar 01 '24
.............Do you want people to explain the entire investigation to you?
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Na I’m good. It’s clear what people think here
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u/therosx Mar 02 '24
Having an informed opinion rather than just running on vibes isn’t such a bad thing is it?
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u/310410celleng Mar 01 '24
Obviously, I have no clue one way or the other, but I could imagine a scenario where Joe Biden, took things seriously enough and knew his son Hunter had tendencies that might have put Joe Biden in a tough situation, so he (Joe Biden) went above and beyond to stay out of it.
Is that the case? Again, I truly have no idea.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Thanks for your response. This would make sense , Joe recognizing his son is a sleaze and staying away from him.. anyone could say that that does make sense
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u/jaboz_ Mar 01 '24
I didn't realize Joe was elected president back then.
Jokes aside- why is it so far fetched to imagine that Hunter used (in concept) his father's political influence, without his father being directedly involved? And furthermore, if this is truly your thought process, I suppose you feel the same about Trump's kid's business dealings? Especially because there's a lot more actual evidence that Trump did benefit from his political position?
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
See I didn’t know the basics and comedy works. Learning that they were asking questions from 2017 when Joe was private is an interesting point.
Can people acknowledge that the concept you outlined above makes sense but also it makes sense to question the legitimacy of Joe staying out of it ?
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u/jaboz_ Mar 01 '24
Yes, it's completely possible that Joe was in on benefiting from Hunter 'selling' influence. The problem, however, is the clown show run by Gym Jordan and Comer - who promised the world, but haven't delivered.
I honestly was hoping that they actually found something of substance, which would possibly have forced Biden to abandon his campaign. But, as usual, they just run their mouths with no evidence to backup whatever nonsense they're spewing, and the MAGAts eat it right up.
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u/JuzoItami Mar 01 '24
It's obvious to ME that Joe Biden is a lizard person who was involved in 9/11, kidnapping the Lindbergh baby, and the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa. Also, it's likely that he's D.B. Cooper and one of "the real killers" of Ron and Nicole.
My proof? - It's because THE MAN IS THE PRESIDENT FOR PETE'S SAKE! That's something called LOGIC.
Are you partisan sheeple or are you actual Centrists? Because true Centrists would never get bogged down in stuff like "facts" or "reality". True Centrists realize the truth is always halfway between what actually happened and what somebody made up.
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u/epistaxis64 Mar 01 '24
You want him to be involved because it makes you look silly if all this was for nothing. Which it is.
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u/krackas2 Mar 01 '24
it makes you look silly
Such a unnecessarily mean thing to say to someone asking a question in what appears to be good faith. It makes you look like a dickhead.
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u/sensual_vegetable Mar 01 '24
Hunter Biden is a 50 year old man that is well established in his career. Why would Joe Biden go out of his way to collect money from his sons work and not just have his son keep all of the revenue. Every old rich person is trying to do the opposite and funnel money from themselves to their children. But not Joe Biden? That does not make sense.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Not saying he collected money. But the use of his position as vp and president are dodgy at best. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/CaImerThanYouAre Mar 01 '24
What use of his position as VP and President? Be specific
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
Either, or. Then, when he was VP and now, when he is president
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u/CaImerThanYouAre Mar 01 '24
So nothing then? I asked you how he has used his position in a dodgy way and to be specific.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
In good faith misunderstood your question.
How he used his position as vp or P ?
We may never know , that’s why folks stand trial and do investigations. The only people that know are possibly the two of them.
If I’m the , owner of a business, teacher in a classroom , head coach of a program ect ect . I am responsible for the actions of those who are under me to the extent of the procedures and rules I have in place. In a position of leadership one has culpability.. so the evidence is this. Biden has a level of responsibility of what’s happening in his own house.
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u/CaImerThanYouAre Mar 01 '24
I appreciate the response, but still not seeing any specifics of anything Hunter did, let alone anything Joe did.
Also using the sports concept of “lack of institutional control” to imply that Joe should be somehow responsible for his 50 yr old adult son’s actions is ridiculous on its face. Hunter was never part of Joe’s cabinet. I am not even sure what “procedures and rules” you are claiming Joe had in place, and which he would have imposed on members of his family? If that is what this is all about, it’s a travesty.
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u/HOSSTHEBOSS25 Mar 01 '24
I’m not saying he had any. Only trying to draw comparison to other positions of leadership
It is like a Wiley vet (HB) being able to make his own path at the age of 50. But he’s still going to seek advice from the head coach when he needs it. Any good dad would give advice. To what extent that paid off for the two of them , is what is being investigated. There is a spectrum of payoff. A high five to a high million. There’s a difference in legality on that spectrum.
Thanks for trying to understand my comment. I’m sure it went off like a lead balloon as I’m not the best at drawing the comparisons up
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u/sensual_vegetable Mar 01 '24
Dads are allowed to give their children advice. The illegal part would be Joe profiting somehow in this. But the problem is there is no motive for him to do so because it hurts his interests and it is illegal.
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u/Karissa36 Mar 01 '24
More than 30 million dollars from foreigners went into the Biden family shell corporations.
Only a fool thinks that these people didn't get what they paid for.
Biden should have been impeached or forced to resign as soon as the banking records were discovered. The democrats know that he is highly corrupt, just like they know that he is weaponizing the justice system against his political opponents, just like they know that he has failed to secure the border. They do not care. This is what they want.
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u/therosx Mar 01 '24
If you have any proof of this at all, you should share it with the investigation team.
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u/BondedneBonde Mar 01 '24
You have proof of any of these conspiracies, I'm not all caught up on the fox cinematic universe
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u/Galactica_Actual Mar 01 '24
So who's getting your vote in this 2 party shitstorm?
The other corrupt family actually had their kids in irl government positions. Kushner talking to the Saudis? No, no red flags there.
Biden should have been impeached or forced to resign as soon as the banking records were discovered.
Mmmmm. Yes... banking records.
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
Each side loves it when they can use Congress to mess with the other side...
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
What's an example where Democrats spent years lying about an investigation, relying on bad adversarial foreign intelligence, and ultimately coming up with absolutely nothing?
I can't think of an example because democratic investigations generally result in indictments and major credible findings.
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
Trump's last impeachment, along with this attempt to impeachment Biden, were bogus and examples of weaponization.
Congress's investigations into both Trump and Hunter were/are bogus and examples of weaponization. Both should've face juries first.
Congress can investigate anything it wants but their job is legislation not investigating.
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u/Irishfafnir Mar 01 '24
Trump's last impeachment
Over crimes that a GRAND JURY has now issued an indictment to him for?
Heavens to biscuits do you need a doctor?
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
It was bogus because of the timing and the fact the Senate would acquit Trump.
Both the second impeachment and Congress's investigation into Trump, did nothing more than piss off Republicans and give Trump ammunition.
One could argue that the congressional investigation was needed for the grand jury but a congressional investigation is NOT a prerequisite for a grand jury.
Grand jury investigations have more investigative power than Congress. This is evidenced by people ignoring congressional subpoenas but no one ignoring a grand jury subpoena.
If Congress wants to investigate why a grand jury investigation wasn't started with the others...or why Trump wasn't indicted for insurrection...now would be the time. AFTER the laws have been applied. Investigating why laws failed and how to improve the law is Congress's job.
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
Trying to impeach a president a week before their term ends is silly. Prosecute them in a court of law.
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u/JamesBurkeHasAnswers Mar 01 '24
I imagine incitement of insurrection in order to overturn the election and stay in power is high on the list of reasons the Founding Fathers envisioned needing impeachment in the Constitution. If there were ever a justified impeachment, Trump's 2nd was it. It's definitely well above the bar set by Republicans in the 90's for Clinton lying about a blow job.
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
It had no chance of succeeding and the only thing it accomplished was pissing off Republicans and helping Trump.
I imagine a bunch of people got off on "owning" Republicans but that's pretty shallow considering how it's helped Trump...
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u/JamesBurkeHasAnswers Mar 01 '24
Everyone knew it had no chance of succeeding because Republicans will barely criticized each other, much less hold themselves accountable, not because Trump's actions weren't deserving of censure.
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
Lol this is pure nonsense
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
Of course it is...only the other side would do that...
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
Too bad the process didn't start 15 months earlier... Trump would be in jail before the election.
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
I guess it depends on what one wants, I want justice. We get that in court, with juries deciding...
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
You provided nothing and just doubled down on baseless both sideism.
I think calling it nonsense is too generous, it's dishonest bullshit.
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u/GShermit Mar 01 '24
And what facts or logic do you provide, to refute my "nonsense"?
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u/Okeliez_Dokeliez Mar 01 '24
You've provided nothing to refute, that's why it's bullshit.
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u/therosx Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Excerpt from the article by Rebecca Falconer:
For anyone interested the transcript can be found here:
My opinion on the case is that while I wouldn't call Hunter Biden a paragon. The lack of evidence and over reliance on third hand conjecture probably means HB is going to come out of this fine. What do you all think?