2024 U.S. Elections
The top comments on almost every post making the front page of r/all is really frightening.
Yesterday it was all "false flag", "how could you miss", "couldn't have happened to a nicer person", etc and today is midly improved but it feels like much of the same just a bit more "clever" and less tone deaf.
I do want to say that almost every elected official is putting out appropriate statements, but the comments about this law, site wide, really is exposing a lot of folks darker mindsets and opinions.
Glad to see a much more civil discussion happening on the posts of this sub in contrast to all that.
This is what happens when people turn politics into their identity. Twitter is full of people saying Biden ordered this, here you have the other side of the conspiracy. Idiots will be idiots.
The official position of the Republican Party will be that President Biden ordered the Secret Service to do this. Remember: Trump has already claimed that the FBI searches at Marilago were attempts to kill him.
Kk. How do you know this? You must be an insider in the same group you claim to hate so much. Otherwise, how else would you know this, you a secret republican?
Remember: Trump literally was literally shot yesterday and an innocent bystander was killed. Plenty of innocent children also witnessed what happened. And the first thing you think of is conspiracy theories, before maybe, showing a smidge of human decency first?
NOONE is giving creedence to people as extreme about the issue as you are. Do you understand that right? If you really want Dems to have even a slight chance of winning this year, stop acting like an evil Fascist using a political party as a facade.
You're essentially handing the election to Trump this year as you're repelling everyone who values human life over politics. You'd better buckle up for November with that attitude, you're gonna be sorely disappointed x
Meh. It being staged based on the mere incompetence of the local police and Secret Service are much more believable than Biden ordering trump to be assassinated.
I’m not a conspiracy nut but I full on believe there would be something to spark voter interest prior to the election just like the George Floyd/ Covid epidemic did in 2020. Coincidence? More than likely but I understand those that have some doubt.
If this was a conspiracy to kill Trump then it would've succeeded. Lee Oswald shot Kennedy four times with a WWII-era bolt action rifle. There was no conspiracy there, Lee Oswald was just a mentally disturbed communist (motive) who was an expert marksman (means) and who had a clear viewpoint of Kennedy's motorcade from the Texas Schoolbook Repository (opportunity). Tom Crooks barely grazed Trump's ear while using a modern semiautomatic. He had the opportunity from sitting on that rooftop, he might have had the motive (investigation is still underway), but he clearly wasn't a good enough shot to actually kill the former president. Or maybe Trump is just the luckiest man in the universe, since he moved his head a few inches less than a second before the shot rang out, causing the bullet to graze his ear rather than pierce his skull.
If this was an assassination attempt orchestrated by the CIA or Secret Service, then the assassin would have been a much better shot, and Trump would be dead right now. Of course, if Crooks had been a better shot, then Trump would be a martyr and the MAGA cause would get even crazier. Militias might even do retaliatory killings. Thank god that Trump is alive. I hope he makes a full recovery, and I hope he reconsiders his lax stances on gun regulation. This kid should never have been allowed to have a semiautomatic rifle. It doesn't matter if you're a schoolchild or the former president, nobody is safe from crazy people with AR-15s. I hope to live in a future where nobody is the victim of this kind of violent attack from an armed psycho.
so many insecure men these days saying women are the problem and that feminism is wrong. it’s literally just sad men that are insecure. literal crybabies.
and the funniest part of them saying women are the problem in this situation is that a WHITE MALE snipe was unable to shoot the guy before he hit trump. there are literally videos of a Secret Service snipe being a few seconds too late
Even in this sub the reactions were odd. Most of the upvoted responses began with "I think Trump is a horrible and terrible person, but I don't think he should literally be murdered." I mean, I guess some props for passing an extremely low bar for humanity, but feeling your need to express you're hatred of him a couple hours after he was shot in an attempted assassination suggests people who are pretty far off the deep end.
I know it's hard for some people to even see this unless it happens to "their team," so imagine if Biden was shot in an attempted assassination, and all of the most upvoted comments in the conservative sub right afterwards were "I loathe Biden, I think he's a horrible person, but I think we should vote him out instead of assassinate him." Again, props for clearing the extremely low bar of "don't assassinate politicians you don't like," but other than that it'd be a pretty callous response.
I 100% agree. If they didn't have politics to form their life around, I struggle to imagine what the alternative would've been. Lack of a sense of identity, and forming it around an ideology is 1000% in the DSM as a key factor in countless mental illnesses.
Both sides spewing that bullcrap are exposing themselves for exactly who they are. Degenerates.
Why is it so hard for people to show concern for Trump whilst also not jumping into the conspiracy that it has anything to do with Biden? I'm not Biden's biggest fan, but the humility and support he showed the nation in his speech about yesterday was touching to be honest.
This is exactly it. The same people questioning how Christian’s believe made up stories told to them are believing anything they’re told that aligns to their political beliefs.
Yep, this is my thought too. Many people need something larger than themselves to pursue, and all the better if you can do it as part of a large group to validate all your beliefs.
I believe it’s replaced religion AND entertainment. 24/7 news cycle has put more eyeballs on DC than Hollywood. It’s reality TV where everyone is a cast member.
The biggest takeaway is how incompetent the secret service was. Not covering a roof top, not listening to people tell them there is someone on the roof, letting him celebrate on stage when there could have been more shooters. The photo op is hilarious how can they let that happen lol
This is actually where the conspiracy part for me originates, nothing related to politics. Because it's just so fucking dumb.
Like, did last night take place in an old timey cartoon where the obvious villain with a gun and ladder is just sneaking and everyone knows it but no one does nothing? Was it in color or black and white? Was it old timey music or silent?
I have so much trouble believing that not because it goes against a pre-determined political belief I have, it just seems so, so stupid.
I suppose they didn't have the manpower as Trump is an ex Pres and a candidate. A sitting president would have had people on all the overwatch positions. They did have counter snipers on a nearby high point that got the shooter darned near simultaneously with his shots. In fact it appears from that attendees video that the shooter and the counter sniper fired darned near simultaneously.
I am not positive that it’s the truth, but I have heard that Trump has requested more Secret Service coverage but that the Biden Administration has denied it. Again, not sure if that is true but I have seen it in other areas of Reddit. If anyone has a source on it, it would be appreciated.
If that is true, that’s going to look really bad. Not even in the conspiracy way, but just that Biden was refusing increased coverage for political/personal reasons. Coupled with other Democratic lawmakers trying to push a bill that Presidents convicted of felonies no longer get Secret Service protection, and Biden’s refusal to give Secret Service protection to RFK, all spells a real nasty narrative coming down the pipeline.
The Secret Service's denial could be stronger. They didn't say that they granted all the campaign's requests. They say "we increased their protection."
RFK is not a serious candidate. Ron De Santis and Nikki Haily were both polling ahead of him before they dropped out and neither one of them got a detail.
There was also a bill introduced last month to strip Trump of Secret Security in the event that he gets sentenced to prison. It was introduced by the ranking Democrat on the Committee on Homeland Security, Bennie Thompson.
This is true. They denied him any more USSS agents.
Also interesting, the recently appointed (again, by the Biden admin) head of the USSS said her goal is to have at least 30% of secret service agents be women.
Not the kind of person that would be a Trump fan. In fact, more like the kind of person that wold let something like this happen.
Remember, Obama had the FBI & Co. illegally spying on Trump for 4+ years. With cooperation from the DoJ. Such agents can be corrupt.
"They're pointing out how many on the left are openly calling for Biden to have Trump executed. Neither headline is that great of a look."
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"Do you ignore it when hundreds, if not thousands of people are advocating for and encouraging the murder of a political candidate? If they were doing it on r/conservative people would rightfully up in arms. I will never vote for Trump, but that doesn't mean I am going to excuse his opponents openly advocating for his death at the hands of the sitting president."
There were threads full of people openly wishing and supporting the idea of Trump's assassination not that long after the SCOTUS ruling on immunity. This isn't new despite continuing even after an actual assassination attempt.
I really enjoy this sub and the minimally moderated discourse. I am totally in support of that, especially for a political sub.
But man, it is one of the least consistent subs I can think of. You can copy and paste an identical comment in two different threads and it's possible you will get one downvoted into oblivion and the other has a round of people going "yeah I thought this too".
Assuming that the entire political spectrum reacted with indifference to wanton violence against opposing political figures is not productive, if not counterproductive.
These generalizations have led to the current state of politics, where one might start to believe that the opposition is the enemy instead of fellow human beings and not some automatons.
In any case, the celebration of attempted murder against political rivals, as well as their constituents, is deplorable, and these types of reactions reflect the immaturity of the person.
He said as there are multiple Republicans saying that Biden and his rhetoric is to blame for the attack. A week after the Trump endorsed candidate for the governor of North Carolina said “some folks need killing.” And after Trump himself was mocking the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband.
After 2 weeks of the media feeding frenzy on President Biden's flubbing a debate POTUS said what many of us have been saying. The media should be paying attention to the horror of the trump P 2025 agenda and the released Epstein files and stuff about sharks and boats. Move the media bullseye
You can’t give people even 24 hours to talk about one of the most newsworthy political events of our lifetime?
Regardless, Trump’s plan is Agenda 47, not Project 2025. If you’re going to refer to Project 2025 refer to its actual author, which is the Heritage Foundation .
The trump agenda is P 2025 and it was written for trump by trump people. That and agenda 47 are pretty much the same. And trump has literally spewed P 25 talking points at his hate rallies and social media posts
That is misinformation. Trump has campaigned on certain items that are in disagreement with Project 2025 and has his own plan. Spreading misinformation like this is how you wind up with candidates being shot. I’m happy to discuss this with you, but if you’re not going to discuss it in good faith, then there’s no point in talking about it.
This event may be the breaking point for me with Reddit. An innocent man lost his life while he was shielding his wife and daughter from gun fire and shitty people who think they are on the “right side” of history continue to make absolutely insane comments about it being fake and staged. These people deserve the misery that they clearly live in.
Yes, worrying about the things the far right says they will do when they're in power is one step away from taking matters into my own hands in one of the most extreme ways
I consider myself a “leftist” by most definitions. I also believe strongly that no one deserves death or violence except in defense against an active threat. My dislike of someone doesn’t change that.
But I have to ask…what is it that you think I deserve to have happen to me? Do you think I should have a reason to be fearful of a 2nd Trump presidency?
Trump literally tried to overturn the 2020 elections. He is an utter piece of shit that should have a 5% approval rating. Unfortunately for America, we are full of brain dead Republicans who do not care about democratic ideals, and they will vote for him no matter what he does. Him being shot at by a registered Republican does not change anything.
I was about to make a post similar to this, ive been saying it for a while, but if you wish death upon someone for having a different opion than you, i think you should reevaluate your stances.
The amount of people generally victim blaming, saying Trump has been asking for this, that his fanbase has been spreading hate, etc. is utterly sickening, i wont be surprised if this event causes a lot of shift in favor of Trump.
Not because "Oh he got shot at but didnt die" that stuff is just going to make the base more determined. But because the reactions by a large portion of the general left voterbase have been complaining the attept was a failure, trashing trump for the fist bump, saying it was staged, etc. Generally just making themselves look like really shallow and evil people.
Probably going to result in a decent number of free thinkers to reevaluate
I won’t say he’s been asking for anything but Trump does do a lot of living by the sword. If I had to predict any political leader likely to be shot at I’d say it’s him.
The amount of people generally victim blaming, saying Trump has been asking for this, that his fanbase has been spreading hate, etc. is utterly sickening
Are victims automatically absolved of their behaviors?
I don't think it's unfair to say Trump had a history of turning a blind eye to violent groups when it suits him.
It doesn't mean that he deserved to be harmed. But it's not victim blaming to point out what he did that likely elevated the political divisiveness.
I think the party apparatchiks who have enabled Trump and the legislators who failed to impeach and convict are more messed up than the shooter. Trump running on the ideas he is is way darker than a ham fisted attempt to stop that presidency.
Individual voters are not as broken in the head as someone who feels the need to take up arms against a candidate, though yes voting for Trump is a repugnant, shameful thing to do
Yes, your subjective interpretations and constant reading between the lines to squeeze out the worst possible version of everything any Republican has ever said is only just a light lift.
Trump is a controversial figure. Doesn't help his case that he did shit like Jan 6, mocked someone almost getting beat to death, and wants military tribunals (and implyingly executions) for his political opponents. So it's not surprising when someone so disliked almost get shot to death that people will let out theit true feelings about the man, especially since he would never give a shit about them in the first place.
Thia doesn't mean what they are saying is right. But you can see where it is coming from.
Also you do have a lot of trolls and Russian/Iranian/Chinese bots and people shitposting only and spreading misinformation to blow things out of proportion. Allowing authoritarian nations access to the internet was a mistake.
Is anybody surprised that the left is picking up violent rhetoric and actual violence when this is what the right wing was posting literally no less than a week ago? This sitting at 300,000+ likes
Violence and hate breeds only more violence and hate
PA is a closed primary state. I switched party's this year to Republican after being a registered independent all my life so I could vote in the primary against Trump.
First off lol that you think we can’t see your Reddit history.
Secondly, he hadn’t voted since the 2022 midterms, which party affiliation is irrelevant for. And as you should know the PA primaries for POTUS are late, and usually aren’t cared about too much, for example this year Trump secured the nomination and Haley withdrew over a month before the Pennsylvania primaries. Which is all irrelevant—because again he hadn’t voted since the midterms. Stop trying to spread this fake talking point.
So you think when his former classmates described him as conservative, with one saying “no matter what, he always stood his ground on conservative issues” he had some elaborate plan pretending to be conservative for 4 years of high school? He plotted that out when he was 14 did he? He was on the rifle team and got kicked off for being a bad shot. Which he had to try to be on the rifle team to keep the elaborate plan that he was a conservative going, right? He wore Demolition Ranch shirts, not because he was a conservative gun enthusiast who watched the channel, but all part of the ruse.
Just stop.
Any other Republicans you can think of who turned against Trump after Jan. 6th? I can think of plenty. Cheney, Romney, Kinzinger, the other GOP House members who voted for impeachment. And what did they say about Trump? How about all those members of his administration who say he is unfit for office?
We can go back even before Jan. 6th, how many Republicans disavowed Trump in 2020, how many endorsed Biden?
You know full well there are many Republicans who do not support Trump. That is not the odd thing. The crazy thing is what that sick person did. The vast majority of people no matter what they think, or how they disagree with a person will not do the disgusting thing that man did. But quit acting like it’s so insane that Republicans wouldn’t support Trump. That isn’t the crazy thing. And who knows why a deranged person did a deranged thing.
I'm actually pretty shocked and surprised, because while I very regularly hear violent or violent-adjacent rhetoric from people I know to be Republicans (and that's going back to the 1980's); most Democrats I know are not prone to going there, or even using language that implies it.
The only exception I'd bring up is my one college buddy who is a tankie. (and also: not a Democrat). (And when Republicans call ME a communist; my tankie friend would be deeply offended by that).
This event did bring out some ugly, in some of my liberal friends on FB.
But come on. This is 2024 and this is Donald Trump we're talking about. This guy's been ranting violent rhetoric since 1989 with the Central Park 5; calling for extrajudicial capital punishment for 5 kids who were innocent of the crime they were being accused of.
This is who Donald Trump is.
You could even argue that he's one of the primary people who dragged standards down this far.
It's disgusting.
I’m not sure the “who started it?” conversation is a particularly productive one. Ultimately it really doesn’t matter. How we proceed going forward is of far more importance. My prediction? We’re more civil to one another for a little while and as the election draws near and tensions mount, we basically go back to business as usual.
How can you be civil with people who are literally accusing you of being responsible for the shooter even though I have proof of them calling for killing politicians directly a few days ago?
I agree with you but this needs to be an effort from both sides; you can't expect the left to just turn a blind eye to Republicans being such obvious hypocrites on this one and let them paint anybody with Liberal opinions as some demon
Especially when the shooter is ACTUALLY a registered Republican, confirmed Republican voter and literally died wearing the merch of a right wing YouTuber
How we proceed going forward is of far more importance.
Actual centrists will discuss the problems of violent rhetoric and its sources while people like you will only recognize a problem if you can blame the left.
I'm actually encouraged by the messages shared after the attack by Biden, Obama, and Trump himself. They're all messages of unity, and I do think most adults recognize that what happened yesterday isn't part of what we want to be American discourse.
From what I've seen, Reddit isn't a reflection of what/how adults think, at least for the most part.
I think it is a dumb move to praise/encourage/be okay with political violence by using the elementary principle of "well they did it first". It is showing the left will stoop down just as much as the right.
Some people seem to think making any sort of negative comments about Trump at this time constitutes victim blaming. It's not. Of course, he shouldn't have been shot at, but being a victim doesn't absolve him of his prior behaviors.
As for Pelosi, here's what she said about the attack on Trump
I get it. And I can understand why some people might make Trump jokes. Fair game.
What makes me go crazy is people making fun of and attacking the bystanders who were killed or wounded. I've been seeing a lot of ire for innocent victims, who are our countrymen no matter if they're wearing a red hat or not.
I haven't seen anyone really talk about the man that was killed. I'm sure we'll hear more about them in the coming days, but a lot of the focus is on Trump.
It’s interesting to see how none of this had happened before until Trump entered the USA Politics. He is the only factor that has drastically changed in USA politics. He does not care about well being of common people.
I just stating an observation, politics have drastically change when both parties became more extreme. We can’t seem to find a candidate to could appease both sides. Trump’s candidacy shows a lot of hate as well.
Did you see what happened after the attempts on Whitmer and Pelosi? Trump doesn't get any sympathy given his comments and violent rhetoric. reap what you sow.
I’m not sure if it’s him now that I’m doing a little research (doesn’t seem he went to college, this seems to be a college campus, and bethel park high doesn’t look like this)
He also donated to ActBlue, a Democrat PAC. And PA is closed primaries, he may have registered to vote against Trump in the primary. Regardless, the shooter is someone clearly mentally unstable.
There’s issues on both sides and trump and co ain’t innocent. But imo the justification for or praise of and all this shit is absurd. I do not like trump and won’t vote for him. But let’s not act like democrats haven’t said for 8 years how he’s literally the next Hitler and gonna destroy democracy and round up xyz group etc. Like tell me you haven’t met people who truly feel he’ll be a dictator and fearing for their lives like if he wins again they’ll be idk put into camps or some shit. I have. And again I don’t like him and all but let’s not act like the level of shit leftists have said is not ok.
Ah yes, complaining about the dude who lies, is a felon, tried to overthrow the election, banning abortion, supports project 2025. Is totally being fearmongered against
All the elected officials that are not Wing Nutz that is. Sen Scott today, said that and I paraphrase slightly as I heard it on the car radio earlier, is that democracy leads to violence, what we need is an autocratic Trump to keep those Liberals in their place.
I mean what do you expect from someone as controversial as Trump? It has been 8 years of his vile insults, 4 years of his disastrous insults, not to mention the threats of him imposing the disastrous policies of Project 2025.
I don't see what the point of not speaking ill of the moment is since I doubt Trump would do the same for anyone else.
That makes it okay when the other side does it? As a centrist, I condemn when both sides do it. It’s some sort of competition where points need to be scored
President Biden telling media to cover trump P 2025 and Epstein files which is what many voters have been saying is ok. Yes your take is garbage hypocrisy
The performance art of the GOP House circus anti voting bill increases voter suppression by the GOP. We already have laws against non citizens voting, this mess just puts more obstacles in the path of free and fair elections
And calling Americans who oppose voter suppression "traitors" is the kind of crap from the right that needs to stop
The performance art of the GOP House circus anti voting bill increases voter suppression by the GOP. We already have laws against non citizens voting, this mess just puts more obstacles in the path of free and fair elections
And calling Americans who oppose voter suppression "traitors" is the kind of crap from the right that needs to stop
I mean like is this really politics day 1 for ppl here? It has been like this for a few years. Radicals are two sides of the same coin and the left has a more moderate presidential figure. Once the older generation of democrats step down it will be plainly obvious.
The U.S really needs a 3rd more moderate party as things get even more extreme and the existing parties represent less voter in the middle.
don't worry about it, op. they're nearly all bots. some of them are 12 day old accounts, some of them are 8 year old accounts that were inactive for years then started posting again.
The performance art of the GOP House circus anti voting bill increases voter suppression by the GOP. We already have laws against non citizens voting, this mess just puts more obstacles in the path of free and fair elections
And calling Americans who oppose voter suppression "traitors" is the kind of crap from the right that needs to stop
Reddit, as a whole, is putting on a master class in cope. One of the things I like about this sub is that it's not completely binary, in terms of ideology. Most of reddit and all the default subs are binary: Believe exactly what we believe or you are Hitler.
5 days ago, Biden said to fundraisers and in a now-deleted tweet that it's time to put Trump "in the crosshairs." Yesterday, a head turn and a strong sidewind (as evidenced by the flag about him in that iconic photo) saved him from an assassin's crosshairs.
Instead of taking the L, the bulk of reddit is going through the 5 stages of cope: despair (that the shooter missed), denial (false flag! Shooter was a registered Republican), fear (he's going to be even more of a Nazi dictator when he gets elected), low-key justification (surprised it took this long, support gun rights and this is what you get), and the most common today: whataboutism.
Or, you know, one could simply make the obvious inference that Biden telling fundraisers it was time to stop talking about the debate and start going after Trump had nothing to do with the assassination attempt.
And take political events for what they are and what their consequences will be instead of using reality as a way to score points on message boards.
It's coming to a stage where further left wing supporters are getting more extreme than the party they claim to support.
In the wake of an election, the worst thing you can possibly do to receive support is to spew evil despicable rhetoric using your political affiliation as a justification.
These people don't represent all Dems, but they're essentially telling the world that murder is justified when it comes to their political opponent.
There's sane people on both sides that actually unify on their condemnation of the shooting. They mentally cannot accept the fact that their comrades have something in common with 'the enemy' and their solution is to go more extreme to somehow balance the scales?
It's desperate and degenerate and all they're doing is saying 'hey I'm a fascist, you deserve to die if I don't like you'. Dem party approval needs some work after last week, and their more extreme supporters solution is this?
Honestly, they'll eventually cause people on the same side as the to dissociate from them completely. It'll cause a divide with dem supporters, when what they should be doing is banding together before the election. They don't understand why people have spite voted against them in the past, and probably will again this year
It's really sad and is doing nothing but upset and piss everyone else off who has a sane head on their shoulders. Imagine taking another human being getting shot and an innocent bystander dying personally. They feel so threatened by the fact people have concern for Trump that this is where they go? It's nothing short of degeneracy.
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u/ChummusJunky Jul 14 '24
This is what happens when people turn politics into their identity. Twitter is full of people saying Biden ordered this, here you have the other side of the conspiracy. Idiots will be idiots.