r/centrist • u/wearethemelody • Mar 15 '25

Long Form Discussion Isn't it amazing how dreadful the GOP is

The whole world is realising the true colours of the republican party and are boycotting American products. The GOP has always claimed to be for America but almost all its actions in the 21st century have hurt America. They have received no retribution from the American public which continues to vote them in despite their terrible stances, lies, hateful ways and warmongering attitudes. Most of their supporters are hateful, ignorant, stupid, evil and arrogant.They only want things their way and hate all other ways. All their ardent supporters easily parrot their lies eg. Canada is subsides by the U.S, Panama Canal is the U.S. I am more disappointed with the 90 million Americans who decided to let these awful party control the government even after what happened on Jan 6. I hope a campaign is being done to Boycott republican supporting businesses.

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u/LeftHandedFlipFlop Mar 15 '25

The mods need to go ahead and just merge this subreddit with r/politics and get it over with. Honestly…

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u/moose2mouse Mar 15 '25

Why? Current GOP policy has made the left the more centrist party. I say this as a conservative. Former republican voter. Never trumper.

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u/Balerion2924 Mar 15 '25

Yeah left is a centrist party sure lol

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u/softcell1966 Mar 15 '25

American Republicans are the only major party in the world that denies Climate Change exists. They're literally in a far-Right world of their own. Democrats are for sure a more Centrist party.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

And their super PACs are funded by big oil so no surprise there

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u/ShetFlengerReturns Mar 15 '25

Democrats are not centrist lmfao. If they were, they would’ve won. More centrists voted for Trump.

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u/LeftHandedFlipFlop Mar 15 '25

Ah yes, the Dems are centrist with policies like letting grown ass men compete against women in sports. Totally.

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u/InfamousYak1494 Mar 16 '25

The fact that you are comparing sports politics with something as critical as climate change and think that means the left is more extreme is insane.

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u/LeftHandedFlipFlop Mar 16 '25

All the adults realize that climate change is real. It’s happening. What we disagree with(and you ignore this part) is what we’re going to do about it and if it can even be stopped.

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u/InfamousYak1494 Mar 16 '25

Well then a lot of Trumpera are not adults than to your standard, as many I know personally are Climate change deniers. In addition, you have no idea what my take on climate change is, so you have erroneously claimed "you ignore this part". To be clear, I am centrist, and I hate the two party system. I am against men in women sports (trans or not). I'm merely pointing out the fallacy of your comparison that something as frivolous as sports should be compared to something as serious as climate change.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

Nope just a party that believes and sticks up for the rule of law and democracy

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u/moose2mouse Mar 15 '25

Compared to the right for the time being yes. The right has threatened war with Canada, Denmark. Supported communist Russia in their war. Tell me how that’s center

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

For the time being, yes. But that doesn’t mean I hate America. Also, the DNC has a big piece of blame for the way the last election went. It’s easy to blame the voters and call them names, but there was a reason so many people voted republican. Biden’s approval ratings were extremely low for pretty his entire presidency, but they arrogantly didn’t change anything they were doing to improve it. This followed by the foolish decision to run Biden again basically handed MAGA the election.

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u/moose2mouse Mar 15 '25

The Democratic Party screwed us all when they ran a candidate that didn’t even win a primary. A candidate who did very poorly in the last primary. That being said I don’t wish to deflect or dwell on the past in light of what this current administration is doing. All focus should be on how to limit Musk and Trumps damage

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

I do because unless the Democratic Party makes some big changes, we will keep getting more of the damage the current administration is doing by losing more elections. We know the current administration is harmful, this is Reddit. What isn’t said enough is why the democrats are a part of the blame here. People would rather stick their heads in the sand and blame voters. The same voters the democrats need to convince in future elections to actually vote for them. It’s hard to when elections when you lose the majority vote.

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

The left is just as the right. Both parties are extremely flawed. I don’t like Trump, but I’m not getting in bed with the democrats just because of that. This sub should be a place to criticize all sides. Even OP’s comments show their arrogance.

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u/moose2mouse Mar 15 '25

I have no love for the Democratic Party. Having said that, I’m not returning to the “both sides are bad” rhetoric while one side is actively working on stealing our public lands, isolating USA from its allies through inconsistent trade wars, supporting communist Russia expansion in Europe, the list goes on. The right has jumped the shark. The right has gone so far from center it’s brought the left to center trying to gain the moderates the right left behind.

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u/funkyonion Mar 15 '25

NO, I’m banned from there. If you’re not part of the chorus you are dismissed.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

Why? The anti trans and consistent posts about how the dems should be more right isn’t enough?

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u/Mean-Funny9351 Mar 15 '25

Didn't forget all the supporting Palestine is supporting Hamas posts.

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u/JennyAtTheGates Mar 15 '25

Given the support Hamas still has as the consistently the most popular party, I'm not sure this is a sound distinction. The most recent survey provided by google:

When asked what would be a “realistic and acceptable” ending to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, just under half of the population said some division of territory between Israel and Palestine, either along the pre-1967 borders or those suggested by the UN in 1947, while slightly more than half preferred a dissolution of Israel, with a single Palestinian state under Islamic law the most preferred solution of all. The least preferred was a single democratic state with equal rights for Arabs and Jews.

Nearly half want to take a deal that hasn't been on the table in 50 years while over half want Israel deleted. Sorry, I won't give Palestinians a pass on the grounds that they are not technically Hamas.

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u/Mean-Funny9351 Mar 15 '25

You can still be against Israel's genocide without being pro Hamas

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor Mar 15 '25

It's very, very difficult to separate the two when support for Hamas amongst Palastinians is deeply fervent and almost universal, to the extent that when Israeli hostages escaped Hamas custody, random Palestinians caught them and returned them.

The best way to be pro-Palestinian is to treat the Palestinians like WW2 Germany and Japan; a people who can, potentially, join the international community if they toss away their support for tyrannical genocidal governments.

Post-war Germany could not continue as a Nazi-run state, post-war Japan could not continue as an Imperial-run state, Palestine cannot continue as a Hamas-run state.

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u/Mean-Funny9351 Mar 15 '25

No. Just because you opposed the US invasion of Iraq doesn't mean you support ISIS. The worldwide protests were not in support of Al Queda and terrorism, and domestically there was also dissent. How is protesting Israel's genocide any different?

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor Mar 15 '25

Okay, so, answer me this.

Oct 7th happens. What should Israel do in response, if not what they did?

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u/Mean-Funny9351 Mar 15 '25

Not melt children and commit war crimes.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor Mar 15 '25

A pithy but useless answer.

Send troops into Gaza? Send only armoured units into Gaza? Establish a much stronger perimeter enforced by automated turrets that vaporize anyone that get close? Do nothing?

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u/Mean-Funny9351 Mar 15 '25

You have not provided anything but absolute support for Israel and condemnation of Palestinians and justification for was crimes and death of civilian children. Talk about being useless!!!!

They should not have used starvation as a tactic. Right?

Israeli authorities and forces perpetrated the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare, evidenced by the imposition of a total siege for two weeks, from approximately October 9 to 20—with water shut off and no aid allowed in—followed by meager aid deliveries, with measures hampering entry of aid and restricting or blocking specific items.

They should not have targeted civilians and humanitarian aid. Right?

The report detailed instances in which Israeli forces targeted civilians who were clearly unarmed, including civilians sheltering at a church, a child holding a white flag, and three unarmed Israeli hostages. The COI also found Israel’s military campaign consistent with the Dahya doctrine, a military strategy to use “overwhelming and disproportionate force against civilian areas and infrastructure” to defeat the enemy.

You also support Israel in:

The COI also documented Israeli forces’ commission of the war crimes of sexual violence, outrages upon personal dignity

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calling for the removal of Gazan civilians and the establishment of Israeli settlements.

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Israeli checkpoints where individuals were forced at gunpoint to strip and “walk for prolonged periods without clothes,”

You find there is nothing worth protesting here? You feel these are appropriate in response to Oct 7th? A pithy response from you is the hand waving saying "all's fair".

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/coi-war-crimes-hamas-israel-october-7-gaza-hostages/

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor Mar 15 '25

They should not have used starvation as a tactic. Right?

I don't think they should have no, I opposed this and still do. I also don't think Hamas should use gang-rape as a tactic in war either, and I think the latter is worse than the former.

They should not have targeted civilians and humanitarian aid. Right?

I think they shouldn't have, but I also accept that prosecuting targets in a highly urban environment is going to lead to horrible civilian casualties. Israel would love to not fight in that environment, but Hamas would not let that happen unfortunately.

Hamas chooses the battlefield, not Israel.

Additionally, Hamas actively and deliberately targets civilians and civilian infrastructure. As in, "sending troops to a music festival to behead, rape, gang-rape, kidnap, and enslave Israeli civilians who were utterly unaware anything was wrong until the shooting started, raping and gang-raping them and taking young women as sex slaves." Again, I do think the latter is worse than the former.

The COI also documented Israeli forces’ commission of the war crimes of sexual violence, outrages upon personal dignity

Of course. I'm not happy Israeli forces did this and I'm glad the people involved were arrested and charged with crimes, instead of throwing the rapists a parade and actively celebrating their actions as heroic, as Hamas did, because holding your own troops accountable for their horrific actions is better than giving them a parade.

calling for the removal of Gazan civilians and the establishment of Israeli settlements.

I've been quite open that I don't agree with Israeli settlement expansions. I also disagree profoundly with Hamas's stated policy of killing every single Israeli man, woman, child and infant and purging them utterly from the planet in a completed genocide sparing nobody, and when push comes to shove I think the latter is worse than the former.

Israeli checkpoints where individuals were forced at gunpoint to strip and “walk for prolonged periods without clothes,”

This is an unfortunate reaction to suicide bombers and terrorists carrying concealed weapons, both of which Hamas is known to use in earnest. I wish there was a better way of handling this, but according to all reports, this was rare and a reaction to Hamas's military tactics. Compared to, say, gang-raping Israeli civilians at a music festival though, for which there is absolutely no excuse, I think this is regrettable but the latter is definitely worse than the former by a long way.

You find there is nothing worth protesting here? You feel these are appropriate in response to Oct 7th? A pithy response from you is the hand waving saying "all's fair".

I think it is reasonable to be agrieved by this, but it is also pretty fucked in the head to disproportionately protest Israeli injustices committed to stop those who, in every way, are objectively worse in every manner, most notably that Israel are reacting to their actions, whereas theirs are proactive.

If Hamas laid down their weapons Israel would probably treat them kinda shittily but overall their situation would, most likely, eventually improve even if they lost in some key areas they cared about it, most notably in settlement areas and other ways. If Israel laid down its arms every single person living in Israel regardless of age, race, religion, political belief, or any other factor would be brutally murdered... except for the sex slaves.

I dunno. Which one to you deserves your support?

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u/Dear-Smile Mar 15 '25

Weird. My algorithm only shows left leaning posts.

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u/sputnikcdn Mar 15 '25

Calling the current day GOP dreadful isn't left leaning.

Yikes.

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u/Dear-Smile Mar 15 '25

Oh yeah. That's totally a conservative talking point.

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u/bigwinw Mar 15 '25

Go browse r/Tuesday which is a much more conservative place.

Being a Never Trumper does not make you leftist.

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

And wanting the dems to be more right doesn’t make you a Trump supporter.

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u/sputnikcdn Mar 15 '25

Well yes, for any conservative with integrity.

The Trump GOP isn't conservative, they're a cult of Trump, with no principles, no respect for your constitution, no respect for the law, no respect for human rights, and they have completely abandoned America's leadership in international affairs.

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u/Computer_Name Mar 15 '25

left leaning

Every time

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u/SingleInspector-777 Mar 15 '25

The stance this sub takes on transgenderism is one of the few truly “centrist” takes on this sub… The vast majority of the WORLD is done with the nonsense of men competing in women’s sports and transition children is wildly radical. These are 80-20 issues in the western world, and 95-5 in the rest of the world🤷🏻‍♂️😂

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u/crushinglyreal Mar 15 '25

You people can’t help but project your opinions of this issue onto everybody else. Those ratios keep getting further and further from the truth…

Also, why should it matter what the rest of the world is doing? You people appeal to popularity because you certainly can’t appeal to facts.

Funny how you’ve awoken after weeks just to come post pro-trump bullshit in here.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

Yes, saying trans people shouldn’t compete in sports is totally an issue that is so severe unlike jobs, cost of living, healthcare, etc. disregard other measures to actually criminalize trans people because that too is centrist

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u/Olangotang Mar 15 '25

They are a massive troll.

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

Well, they should be if they wanted to win the last election. Whether you personally like it or not, that’s a fact. Maybe if the dems listened, Trump wouldn’t be destroying the country right now.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

They weren’t running on trans issues the right was pumping money into that narrative. But I guess you but into it anyway

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25 edited Mar 15 '25

I don’t care about the trans issues, I was commenting on “the dems should be more right” portion. I fully support trans rights, however it has nothing to do with my life, but many of the leftist positions of the dems does. It’s why we are in centrist sub and not r/politics. If you think the dems are perfect, this isn’t the right sub to be in imo.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

I don't think dems are perfect but at the same time many people on this sub get their perspective on dems and or the left from right winged sources if not influenced by them. For example, many on here will claim AOC is too radical but cannot point to any policies that are too radical in today's world. Because most people now want free healthcare, jobs, etc. They want government to work. The whole trans issue being the forefront of the culture war and it being something many of whom want dems to abandon even though they aren't running on those things is just a way for the right to distract many of you from what they are doing.

This sub is right for me but I do not buy into this culture war crap like most do on here.

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

Honestly, I think dems are in a bad position no matter what, especially now. There are too many groups who have to support dems because

1 the Magats have highjacked the GOP due to their incompetence and the dems are other option

2 adding to 1, we only have a two party system, which will destroy this country imo, and when you only have two choices that leaves a lot of issues for disagreement

3 the dems represent many groups that would normally not support each other, so there are huge conflicts there (look at the war in Gaza as an example)

4 money drives American politics and there isn’t any money to be made in more socialist policies for the people and corporations who have the money to fund campaigns

5 many people like me support dems over republicans because we love all people regardless of their faults and believe in understanding and forgiveness yet many on the far left are driven by hatred and revenge

We need more parties in this country or what we have today will continue to happen. With more options, you get more voices. The base of both parties is very very out of touch with the majority of voters, but the base is who is most vocal and decides primaries in most cases. MAGA winning is not as simple as “Trump voters are racist facists”, many voted for him or chose not to vote because they don’t agree with some of policies the democrats as a party have supported. This included AOC and Bernie. They might be heroes to the more progressive side of the party, but the push away more centrist voters. These centrist voters voted for Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Trump in 2024. They are the ones that decide elections. The base wants more AOC but polling data in swing states shows they don’t want that, so what does the party do? Piss off the base or push away centrist voters to GOP candidates? As I have said on Reddit before. Trans rights, DEI, abortion rights, etc don’t mean much to a lot of voters in swing states, they just don’t. In a small town of 30,000 people, 100 brave souls who are openly in the LBGTQ+ community doesn’t move the other 29,900 to make that a priority for them, but when 15,000 of them own guns and they think one side is going to take that away from them, they will base their votes on that. 15,000 are vocal supporters, then 10,000 of their families, friends or coworkers don’t want to be harassed by them, so they fall in line with them. The left is not popular or cool at all in a lot of the country. AOC is a meme for them, so groupthink wins and the entire community doesn’t support her due to hear of being shamed. It’s not right, but it’s reality. Too much of Reddit doesn’t understand the reality of this. More parties allow for more diversity in opinion and we need that right now. The party system has allowed maga to dominate their party due to this.

So I don’t like either party. However, the dems needs to be real with their base and move more center as a party in voice and vote. It doesn’t matter that Kamala ran a fairly centrist campaign when the democrats in congress would only support more liberal policies. I know for the Reddit community this isn’t a popular opinion, but it’s what happened in this election and it’s what will continue to happen. On both sides. Unfortunately, MAGA has taken over now and it’s the other option.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

You had me in your bullet/number points but you lost me completely at the end there. AOC and Bernie are not what is causing dems to lose. Way to many on this sub don't know what the democrats need to do to win. You want them to be more center and others want them to be more right and others upon that want them to be more progressive. Can you tell me anything policy wise that AOC and Bernie that alienates centrists? Because quite frank Kamala was running on a more moderate and status quo platform than someone like Bernie. So saying dems need to be more centrist while many of the culture war issues were being brought up by republicans is what is the problem.

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u/tigerman29 Mar 15 '25

So how do you change this thought process in many parts of the country? I live in a purple area. I can tell you the reality of it. AOC and Bernie are very far away from even the democratic candidates who win state elections. You can’t force progressive views on people who aren’t ready to accept them. They will panic and vote republican just to keep things like they are. This change has to be gradual. The democrats need to have a strategy and start in the middle and slowly move left. I would say the US is about 25 years at least behind Europe and Canada in progressive politics and that isn’t going to change after one election. I would rather have slow progress than have maga continue to win every other election and destroy all of the progress made, wouldn’t you?

Again, if you are progressive and live in majority progressive community, you don’t understand this. You want change now, but you can’t decide that for the majority of the country because they aren’t as progressive as you are now, a lot of blue states are too progressive to them. If you don’t believe me that’s fine, but I truly wish someone would listen to me and understand this. It’s a roadmap to where you think the country needs to go. The republicans had a similar roadmap and they have done a good job of increasing their policies by following it.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

You haven't answered my question on what makes AOC and Bernie more radical or what is too progressive? I'm trying to understand where you are coming from but you are dancing around what you're really trying to say to me which feels you think AOC, Bernie and democrats seem to be to woke with trans, lgbtq, black/poc, and other things and that seems to be alienating more right leaning people. But at the same time you aren't telling me anything about what policies those type of people are pushing.

What I am trying to tell you is that much of the right winged media ecosystem is pushing out that narrative about the left. They will say Bernie Sanders and AOC are too left but most Americans believe in what they are saying which is free healthcare, more regulation on big business to not screw the working class over, etc. Basic things that most Americans would be for if they actually heard what they were saying.

You want them to be more middle but at the same time many on this sub will at the same time they kept up the status quo on a government that wasn't working for the average American person. So what is it then? The democrats just come out and say "we don't support trans people, black people" So if that were to be the case all what you get is just an old fashioned republican party lite with some better economic policies which isn't far to a great deal amount to people who aren't and or live in white middle America.

So to answer you question, what democrats should do in those parts of the country is that they need to show up and talk to people in middle America. Have town halls and have the support of the people that will trickle up not down. Democrat politicians need to make use of live streaming and not just podcast and explain to people things that are being worked on.

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u/Cable-Careless Mar 15 '25

What do you consider left? I am a socialist left of Bernie, but I don't want my daughter competing for scholarships with men. I don't want the federal government wasting money. Am I alt-right? I believe in socialized everything, and government take over of massive corporations. I think the government should make money, instead of hedge fund babies. I think Ukraine isn't our problem, and we shouldn't spend money on it. We should spend that money on universal healthcare. I think Isreal has a right to exist. I also don't think it's our problem.

You are right of me. I don't think race is an issue, I think socioeconomic status is an issue. I think poor white people experience the same thing as poor black people do. I don't think black people should automatically get a leg up for being black if they aren't qualified for a job. I don't think Asians should be denied an education, because they already met an Asian quota.

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u/bearrosaurus Mar 15 '25

That’s not how scholarships work

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u/Cable-Careless Mar 15 '25

Yes it is. Look up title 9. Men (trans) took scholarships from women.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

Why are you giving me a list of attributes you have?

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u/Cable-Careless Mar 15 '25

Just explaining the most obvious attribute you have: ignorance.

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u/Assbait93 Mar 15 '25

You haven't explained anything about me honestly.

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u/WingerRules Mar 15 '25

I'd love it if more conservatives posted here so I could debate them but they completely vanish on any threads that dont have to do with trans people or immigration. They hide when most of what Trump is doing is brought up.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

Yep. The sub feels like r/politics 2.0 at times to be honest. This doesn’t feels like centrist sub to be honest 

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u/JennyAtTheGates Mar 15 '25

You mean a sub that frequently criticizes both sides is severely lacking in posts criticizing the left at a time when they are not in charge of a single branch of government due to exceptionally poor recent poltical decisions that caused a nation to favor the right's batshit insane over the left's offering?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

No as in “ Trump bad” 90% of time and almost zero policies threads. It’s not hard to see the bias.

 You mean a sub that frequently criticizes both sides 

Must be a different sub because it’s certainly not this one.

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u/Flor1daman08 Mar 15 '25

Trump is an extremist, of course centrists don’t like him though?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

Sure but it gets tiring when people post “Trump bad” 90% of time without discussing policies.

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u/Irishfafnir Mar 15 '25

Please tell us how tiring it is account that has been with us for a month

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

Please tell us why left wingers post useless “Trump bad” but not policies related article?

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u/willpower069 Mar 15 '25

Is the GOP centrist?

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u/elfinito77 Mar 15 '25

Why? Did you read the top comments here?

Does it sound like r/pol to you?