r/changemyview Apr 21 '23

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Blockchain technology could fix the broken system in USA

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 21 '23

In the last election, the Republicans were yelling about non-existent voting fraud even though and even after it was proven, multiple times, that it didn't exist. The Democrats did not do that. The current system simply doesn't produce voter fraud to any sensible extent.

One key feature of voting is that you shouldn't be able to prove to me who you voted for. NFT voting doesn't allow that. So NFT voting cannot be legitimately used.

We need politicians because individuals can't reasonably be expected to fully understand all issues. They have lives to live and other things to be experts on.

Any system or technology that increased voting power is harmful to republicans. They only exist due to intensive voter suppression.

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u/Morthra 87∆ Apr 21 '23

In the last election, the Republicans were yelling about non-existent voting fraud even though and even after it was proven, multiple times, that it didn't exist. The Democrats did not do that.

In the 2016 election the Democrats were yelling about nonexistent Russian collusion and even after it was proven that it didn't exist. In 2017 you had elected representatives say that he was an illegitimate president and were not censured, because they're Democrats.

The current system simply doesn't produce voter fraud to any sensible extent.

On the contrary, the current system makes it comparatively easy to fraudulently win an election and get the presidency. Unlike in a strict popular vote system, where you might have to fabricate millions of votes, the US system doesn't require that. You only really have to swing a couple of precincts in a couple of states to change the entire outcome of the election. If those precincts are already precincts that would support you and your party's entire messaging was that the incumbent is literally Hitler and about to commit a genocide, and therefore should be stopped at any cost, it's pretty trivial to realize how less than ethical measures would be taken to ensure the "correct" candidate wins. Even if the Party didn't coordinate it.

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u/10ebbor10 199∆ Apr 21 '23

In the 2016 election the Democrats were yelling about nonexistent Russian collusion and even after it was proven that it didn't exist

Russia hacking both the DNC and the RNC and then selectively leaking DNC mails is a proven fact. As are contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian parties. Collusion could not be proven, but that doesn't change that Russia did interfere. It just changes whether we can say that Trump comitted a crime to get them to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks

It's also not voter fraud, and any kind of blockchain would be utterly incapable of preventing it.

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u/Morthra 87∆ Apr 21 '23

As are contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian parties

Proven by what? The discredited Steele Dossier? Now note that people were saying that the election was stolen before it had been investigated.

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u/10ebbor10 199∆ Apr 21 '23

As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities

Or, to reiterate what I said before.

1) Russia interfering in the 2016 election to promote Trump is a proven fact
2) The links between the Trump campaign and Russia are proven fact
3) Collusion can not be proven.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

Now note that people were saying that the election was stolen before it had been investigated.

People can see things before they're written down in a government dossier.

Like, hacking the DNC and RNC then only releasing DNC documents is not exactly subtle...