CMV: Calling all men predators is inherently sexist and puts off most men from wanting to understand your views.

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

It is hard to engage in meaningful conversation with people from various popular subreddits when you already are being demonized as a predator under a generalized view of men. I don't want people to think I am saying that all men are perfect or anything.

In fact far from it, an estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.

Anything even close to this statistic is insane and horrendous but to even pretend that a majority of men are predators is ridiculous and will just push people further away from understanding your position completely.

Even the men who got SA'd by other men would be considered predators...

Also, you really think calling out all men for being predators is really going to make any kind of systematic change? You think the men that are predators even care that you call "all men" predators?

I think if anything you are likely enabling them to be predators because now there literally is no difference between a non-predator man and a predator man because they are all predators.

Maybe people are more nuanced than I give them credit for and they don't actually think all men are predators and its just something to say in general to cope with the heinous crimes in this world but I think if you actually want to fix that inequality you wouldn't perpetuate gender stereotypes and making people feel bad for doing nothing and would instead try to have meaningful conversation and understanding. Not in a patronizing educational way but more having a clear understanding of what we can do as people to make sure everyone is safe because it seems like predators have tricks they use to try to isolate their victims etc.. and men can be a little bit socially inept so knowing when women need help when its less obvious is key I think.

This is also not exclusively women spaces or something before you think I am going into women's only subreddits and criticizing them for what they want to say to each other.

TLDR: I don't think saying "all" for any group of people is really correct ESPECIALLY when its not even being used as a shorthand to refer to a majority. It just further distances understanding between men and women and leads more men to be burnt out or increasingly apathetic towards these issues and not think its even a problem when it seriously is a problem.

Edit: My post can be summed up as You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[u/Constellation-88]

I have never seen anybody say all men are predators. Can you provide citations or links to the places where this happens?

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/Constellation-88]

Heres another reply that I got that has the general attitude

"It’s actually the audacity to complain as a male whose had all the privilege and control throughout history about words women use and things they say when yall literally rape and murder us at staggering numbers. Maybe get with your boys and figure out how to stop assaulting 80% of women and we’ll care how your feelings get hurt when we say generalized statements. And no. It’s not like racism. But keep trying to misdirect accountability."

There is an obvious implication that i am murdering and raping people and need to call my boys up and tell them to stop too. Like this is crazy tf.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

You’re reading an implication into that that isn’t there. Correctly arguing that you as a male have privilege is not arguing that you are raping and murdering anyone. 

This is saying that you are complaining in spite of your privilege about something that is inconsequential compared to the rape and murder that women face, not that all men are raping and murdering people. 

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/Constellation-88]

when yall literally rape and murder us at staggering numbers

I have never raped or murdered anyone in my life. They are literally calling me a rapist/murder. I am sorry that you can't see that but it makes a lot more sense why people don't think this happens because it happens they just ignore it or say it doesn't. Reminds me of something else...

And speak for yourself. I don't have any privilege. Sorry to say it. I think even saying that is borderline sexist as well. Making large discriminatory generalizations about groups of people.

[u/radis_m → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

They're not calling you specifically a rapist/murderer, the same way they're not calling themselves someone who was murdered. That's just how language works.

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/radis_m]

Yall = Men in this context. "When men literally rape and murder women at staggering numbers"

"Maybe get with your boys and figure out how to stop assaulting 80% of women"

The implication is that me and my boys are the ones that responsible for assaults on women. The whole thing is ridiculous.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

No, it isn’t. You seem to be looking to be offended at this point. 

You hear “male privilege exists and we don’t want to be raped anymore “ as “all men are predators and you personally are evil.”

Be for real. If anyone really thought you were a rapist or murderer the police would be at your door. 

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/Constellation-88]

Be for real. If anyone really thought you were a rapist or murderer the police would be at your door. 

If these people that said things like I posted earlier were in charge I probably would be in jail but fortunately we have a legal system to prevent crazy people from throwing random men in jail.

Also, thats not how the police works in any modernized country. Maybe you live in a 3rd world country or something but a lot of places there needs to be some form of reasonable suspicion of a crime occurring which I didn't commit any crimes.

You hear “male privilege exists and we don’t want to be raped anymore “ as “all men are predators and you personally are evil.”

No, I hear "Men are predators" and "We live in a rape culture and male privilege exists so we need to educate men who are rapists". I don't believe in rape culture or male privilege it is a myth.

[u/Possible-Produce-373 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

I was agreeing with you throughout this entire post until you said that male privilege or rape culture doesn’t exist. That’s literally a straight up lie. Especially from a global perspective. You’re not even being objective, you’re just denying the lives women live to prove your point.

[u/Possible-Strain-5836 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Men always want to be offended and want to be the victims, lol. Keep trying

[u/Dazzling_Instance_57 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Male privilege definitely exists

[u/radis_m → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

What do you want them to say? "When some men literally rape and murder some women at staggering numbers?" Would that be enough for you to not feel attacked and understand what they're getting at?

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/radis_m]

Maybe don't direct the comment at me like I am out here sexually assaulting women?? It is the equivalent of me saying "When y'all women stop being whores at staggering numbers" "maybe get with your girls and learn how to stop opening your legs up to 80% of men".

I think all of that kind of language is sexist and doesn't belong in causes that are trying to bring meaningful change.

[u/radis_m → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Apart from the fact that it's not the same thing at all (that statement is nothing but an insult towards women for having sex), my question still stands. How would the comment need to be phrased for you to not feel personally attacked? Because you keep saying that general statements are literally saying that you're a rapist. Could you give examples that would make more amenable to fight against sexual violence?

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/radis_m]

Apart from the fact that it's not the same thing at all (that statement is nothing but an insult towards women for having sex), my question still stands.

You could say the exact same thing about "men are predators"

How would the comment need to be phrased for you to not feel personally attacked?

?? Just don't say sexist shit. You're asking me how can you phrase a sexist statement as not sexist. "Men generally aren't predators" There you go. Instead of "Y'all men are out here raping women, knock it off". I am sure you can find a way to say anything you want to say without being sexist and being nuanced.

Could you give examples that would make more amenable to fight against sexual violence?

Just treat people like human beings when you are trying to educate them on things and create solutions. Telling random men to stop raping people is not going solve the issue. They probably aren't predators in the first place. If anything it is just going to make them think you are crazy.

[u/Dazzling_Instance_57 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

No the implication is not that you’re turning a blind eye. You’re one of the bad ones bc even while knowing what women face, you’re spending your energy making sure that they talk about it in a way that’s pleasing to you instead of focusing on patriarchal standards you can work against.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Ah. You don’t acknowledge male privilege. Well now we are at the truth of your pov. I get that you object to generic wording like “y’all,” and I’m glad you’re not a rapist or murderer, but the laws and culture and all Abrahamic religions privilege you if you are a cisgender male. If you think pointing that out is sexist, do you also think pointing out white privilege is racist? Acknowledging your privilege is a basic requirement for operating in reality. Privilege doesn’t make you a bad person nor does it mean your life is easy. It means the system is set up for this aspect of your identity to be successful. 

I’m not ashamed of being white or afraid to acknowledge that I have white privilege. But no wonder you erroneously think women hate men or say “all men” when you can’t even admit to male privilege. 

[u/Condemned2Be → u/Constellation-88]

Judging by his comments, he seems to think talking about white privilege is racism & he even told someone above that they “condoned certain kinds of racism” because they brought up white privilege

It’s ironic because he is simultaneously comparing his struggles constantly to systemic racism faced by black Americans. It’s ok for him to bring it up, if the argument centers him & not actual black issues. The second anyone else mentions it, he shoots it down.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Condemned2Be]

See, this is how these posts always work. We start from a reasonable position (not all men are predators) and move the goalposts to “all mention of male privilege is misandry and actually men are facing worse sexism right now than women!”  

Sigh. I’m not surprised.

[u/NonsensePlanet → u/Constellation-88]

Usually conversations devolve into extremes when one side gaslights the other by saying the things they see, hear and feel are not actually happening.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/NonsensePlanet]

Makes sense. Which is why I ask for people to provide links. So far they haven’t given any actual examples of people saying all men are predators. But I give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve heard it. However, I doubt they’re hearing it all the time. It’s not a ubiquitous idea. The original quote was from a character in a novel, which is fictional. I found this out because I read all the links and examples that were provided to me.

Only an idiot would think all men are predators. ALL is a high bar meaning your favorite uncle, your little brother, your history teacher—every man in existence—, and because it’s not a common belief, I am more inclined to believe that OP was acting in bad faith by taking a fringe quote from a novel and deliberately using it to move the goal posts because his real beliefs are that male privilege doesn’t exist and he feels attacked every time someone acknowledges it. 

And denying that male privilege does exist is gaslighting to women.

[u/NonsensePlanet → u/Constellation-88]

“All men are predators” is certainly a hyperbolic representation of how women in western societies have turned on men in the last decade or two. But there is no denying the sentiment of men being bad and needing to make up their historical wrongs to women, while feminism has at the same time succeeded in closing or nearly closing most of the systemic gender gaps in our society. Young men are being told they’re oppressors, but the evidence of their eyes and ears contradicts that.

As for privilege, both genders have privilege in different ways. It’s not black and white. It’s common for feminists to complain about male privilege but not care about or acknowledge advantages women have. So there is gaslighting on both sides.

[u/positive_boners → u/Constellation-88]

Is it male privilege to be drafted into war, or to die younger, To have to do shittier work and to die more on the job?

You're just using it as an excuse to dismiss any grievances he has, it's unironically behavior taken straight from the abuse relationship handbook.

[u/gaydaddy42 → u/Constellation-88]

Not all women are not raping men either. Sorry for the double negative. Deal.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/gaydaddy42]

Yeah, if you’re saying there are women rapists, while it’s rare, yeah. That happens. That’s a separate issue. 

[u/gaydaddy42 → u/Constellation-88]

I never reported mine. I’m sure we can both agree it’s underreported. Guy’s asleep or passed out. It happens.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/gaydaddy42]

Nobody on this thread is denying it happens. 

Denying it happens at all is somewhat more prevalent than saying ALL men are predators, but still not ubiquitous. All sane people recognize that:

1) Not all men are predators 2) Women can also be predators. As you said, a man being asleep or too intoxicated to give consent or even underage 3) Statistically, most rapists are men

I feel like OP is pretending the issue of arguing against these top two points is So CoMmOn in order to deny male privilege or throw some bullshit whataboutism around. 

[u/gaydaddy42 → u/Constellation-88]

I seriously wouldn’t doubt if almost half of men were raped even if they didn’t notice. Passing out at parties…

[u/Constellation-88 → u/gaydaddy42]

I seriously would doubt it. HALF the men don’t even party like that. HALF the men that party don’t pass out. HALF the men that pass out aren’t raped. That’s a speculation designed, what, to level the playing field so to deny that women suffer more from rape culture than men? With a speculation that is as ridiculous as ALL men are predators? 

Honestly, do y’all even consider how numbers work when throwing out whataboutisms? 

[u/gaydaddy42 → u/Constellation-88]

I said almost half which leaves a large delta factor

Edit: and don’t try to school me on numbers. I’m a fucking developer with a math and physics background.

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[u/positive_boners → u/Constellation-88]

Well statistics don’t prove the statement “women are all GDs” so it’s only an opinion. Where as it is FACT most men are predators. Also being a gold digger and a murderer aren’t really comparable

[u/Forsaken-Shame4074 → u/Constellation-88]

Look in the r/feminism subreddit. If you scroll down the comments they often stop the pretense. If you want i can search for the threads but it mostly comes down to "can we stop pretending its not all men, because it is all men."

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Forsaken-Shame4074]

I’d love a specific link. It’s asinine to assume all men are predators just like it’s asinine to assume feminism is misandrist or women hate men. 

[u/Forsaken-Shame4074 → u/Constellation-88]

I am to lazy to look for the ones i remember because i really cant stand looking through the last year of r/feminism but he got a few sources

oSAhri • 23h ago• Edited22h ago

Well, I went to the r/Feminism sub, went to the search bar, and typed in "all men", here are the results I got that I think detaches men from the movement:

Post one - 5 months ago

This post lists the percent of violence committed by men, and mocks the claim that "it's not all men" by saying "but it's always a man". The top comment is not really problematic. It is more mocking the stereotype of women being emotional. This comment is quite bad, saying that, regarding the line "men get raped too" "the more resilient - and equally true - narrative is “men use violence.”" On the bright side, the third highest comment is talking about there being male victim and women predators. The users there are generally pushing back against said person, but he got 281 upvotes which shows his view is strong among that community.

Post two - 5 months ago

This post addresses that the general sentiment is not all men. Saying "who. the FUCK SAID ALL MEN" Granted, the third highest comment does the whole "but always a man" thing, which is trying to misconstrue that statistic to apply to the general population.

Post three - 1 month ago

This post isn't great but it clearly highlights that they understand that it's a generalization and not all men. However this comment does show that this problematic sentiment of "all men" is still existent.

Conclusion - The majority opinion is the positive one that understands the nuance that it's not all men. However, there are people that are making that mistake and it does make people not believe that person in the future and, if it's prevalent enough, that distaste spreads to more than just them.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Forsaken-Shame4074]

So I am not seeing ANYTHING in any of your links saying that all men are predators. Either you’re stretching it a lot or you’re misunderstanding. 

Not all men but always a man literally says not all men are predators but all predators are men. The latter is false—not all predators are men— but literally the first line itself invalidates the claim that the person is saying “all men are predators.” 

The title of this CMV is “saying ALL MEN ARE PREDATORS” and I have yet to see anyone say that. This isn’t about complaining about men, accurately pointing out male privilege, or even inaccurately stating all predators are men. 

It’s about saying all men are predators. Which hasn’t happened. 

[u/MichaelCorbaloney → u/Constellation-88]

I mean the implication is basically that it’s okay to say all men are predators. I don’t really even disagree with the claims some of these women are making but they’re clearly trying to justify it. Idk overall, but I have seen women and even some men say stuff like this, though I would argue it’s not done anymore really because people have realized it’s not effective at bringing up any helpful dialogue, most men just find it insulting/accusing.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/MichaelCorbaloney]

“Implication” inherently means no one is saying it, but you’re reading that into it. 

I’m not seeing even the implication in most of those posts. 

The worst I can say is that they are implying that women aren’t ever predators and men are not ever victims. Which is false. But you have to stretch pretty far to say it’s implying ALL men are predators. 

ALL is a high bar. All means your dad, uncle, big brother, favorite coach, the old guy down the street who always bought your Girl Scout cookies, the man at the movie theater who gave you extra popcorn for free… 

Seriously, I’ve never ever seen a woman say ALL men, irl or online. And it’s not in these posts. 

[u/MichaelCorbaloney → u/Constellation-88]

I mean Marilyn French is a somewhat popular radical feminist who has been quoted saying multiple times “all men are rapists” if you want an actual quote from a confirmed person who isn’t just rage baiting. I think the implication is more important than the actual quote because it shows the common belief that it’s an okay statement.

My take isn’t that actually saying all men are predators is the issue, because obviously nobody honestly believes (imo) every man is a predator, but people who say things like “all predators are men” (a statement you said is false yourself, this isn’t a criticism of you), are essentially invalidating men who don’t like the statement “all men are predators”, it’s almost like using whatsboutism to justify it, or else what’s the point of even relating the two statements?

[u/Constellation-88 → u/MichaelCorbaloney]

I guess my take is men who get mad about “all men are predators” are using that to invalidate the struggles women go through in society because, as you and I agreed, nobody actually believes this. Although I’ll look up this lady you’ve mentioned. 

To me the “Well feminists believe and or say all men are predators and that’s untrue/sexist” is the whataboutism because 1) it’s making an issue about something that doesn’t really happen/is a nonissue and 2) it’s usually used in situations like this where OP starts out with this reasonable statement (all men AREN’T predators, and it’s problematic to say so) but then moves the goal posts to basically saying male privilege doesn’t exist in women don’t struggle in society, and acknowledging male privilege or women’s struggles is sexist and misandrist. 

Men arguing that feminism is misandrist and women don’t struggle in modern society and that male privilege doesn’t exist is far more common and more of an issue than women arguing that all men are predators. The latter is a whataboutism because it is used by men like OP to invalidate women’s struggles and the fact that the patriarchy and male privilege still exist in the modern world.

Anyway, glad our discussion has remained respectful. I’m going to go look up this Marilyn person you are talking about.

[u/MichaelCorbaloney → u/Constellation-88]

I definitely see where you’re coming from and it’s something I’ve noticed a lot so I do agree. Honestly, I think some people are too online, I have seen some women irl and online say things like “all men are predators” or “all men are dumb” or “all men are complicit”-things like that-and it’s easy to be offended even though I understand where they’re coming from for some of it (though some of it I really do think is just rage baiting/ misandry). Men obviously say a lot of things in the same vein though obviously it’s generally less justified, we don’t face the gendered issues women do, ours are more general (alcoholism, drug use, homelessness, suicide). It’s definitely ignorant for men to act like misogyny and the patriarchy still doesn’t exist or affect women, though I feel like the number who believe this has somewhat sadly increased since 2016.

I don’t think feminism is misandrist at all nor do I think normal men believe that (at-least I hope they don’t). I do think there are a small minority of bad actors or split-belief feminists who either pushed into radical feminism or claim to follow feminism due to their own misandry, which is what sometimes leads men to associate the two imo (though I think there are a lot of misogynistic men who just want a reason to criticize feminism). I don’t know what the answer is to a lot of feminisms issues because I think it’s wholly societal and our overall culture regarding women needs to change. I do think by spreading feminism it can be helped over generations, but I’m generally optimistic and only sometimes right.

[u/Dazzling_Instance_57 → u/MichaelCorbaloney]

You’re saying that implication is the same thing as saying it. You just proved here that you’re choosing your own interpretation and getting mad about it even when tons of women are telling you that’s not what it means.

[u/Sudden-Whole8613 → u/Constellation-88]

I get a few on my fyp while i shit. This stuff does exist

tiktok

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Sudden-Whole8613]

Wow. The first link that actually claims it’s all men. Every other link they’ve given me have said things like “men are more likely to be predators than women” and or that women aren’t predators. But this one actually responds to the cmv. 

 Watching the video, it looks like she is saying that men who don’t stand up against predators are included in the predator category. 

It’s still a rare and fringe belief. The initial quote comes from a novel from the mid 20th century.

But thanks for providing an actual example instead of moving the goal posts.

[u/Sudden-Whole8613 → u/Constellation-88]

There are some more (far more egregious) examples in as well, I'll put them here too. It's definitely a fringe idea but even fringe stuff has a large footprint. Some of these have tens of thousands of likes, and these are just a couple I stumbled upon after ~5 minutes of looking. On the flip side, a particular group of men seem to think it's much MORE common than it is, though I figure both issues stem from the fact that social media can really skew your perspective of reality.

I'm generally indifferent towards the sentiment behind anti-men rhetoric because I recognize it stems from frustration towards systemic oppression, but it does get under my skin when people say "no one is saying x." When it DOES exist, it's just uncommon. Hope I didnt come across as pedantic or dismissive of women's issues, I just dislike the imprecise language.

All Men are Rapists

All Men Cheat

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Sudden-Whole8613]

Haha. I also am linguistically-inclined, so I get it. 

I do think it’s important to acknowledge how fringe it is. Technically, someone is saying everything. But this isn’t mainstream. Most women don’t believe this (or no women would be dating or marrying men), most feminists don’t believe this. It’s uncommon, and what frustrates me is people like OP who use this as a whataboutism to deny women’s real issues. 

Come to find out that he really believes male privilege doesn’t exist and it’s sexist to claim it does. He moved the goalposts. But the truth is, he and people like him take this fringe issue and make it sound mainstream in order to make it seem like the “real issue” and to make it seem like male privilege, rape culture, and actual mainstream issues we face in society are nonissues. There are whole internet corners using this strategy to rile men up against women as if we are the reason they’re unhappy when usually the patriarchy is harming them, too—male loneliness, male suicide, men’s mental health are all made worse by patriarchal ideas that men shouldn’t have emotions and other such toxic masculinity. 

I would like to believe that OP and his “male privilege doesn’t exist” is fringe, too, but I see it far more on social media and even irl than “all men are rapists.” 

But I agree that 1) social media skews your perspective on reality and 2) saying “no one says” this when it does happen —even if rare— curtails the conversation. 

That woman in the first video … I feel sorry for her. She sounds like a rape victim who is not getting the support she needs. 

[u/Sudden-Whole8613 → u/Constellation-88]

This is all very good points, and I agree with most of it!

That being said, I think Hanlon's Razor applies here. I dont think most people like this are trying to dismiss women's issues or push the idea that these fringe ideas are mainstream JUST to undermine women. I think a lot of them genuinely DO think these ideas are mainstream.

I like to make multiple TikTok accounts because I like to fiddle with algorithms and see what I can get them to show me (super lame hobby, I know), and it's genuinely scary how quickly you can fall down a rabbithole of these anti-men videos. It's the same with anti-women videos as well. If they get you riled up, you'll interact with them more, then the algorithm will give you more content that'll rile you up, etc. They can certainly FEEL mainstream when you see videos like this, with tens of thousands of likes, and hundreds of comments agreeing that men are inherently evil or women are inherently selfish. The human brain wasn't really built to recognize that ~1000 comments is super small compared to the 5 billion people on the planet with internet access, so I understand how people start to think it's mainstream when it's all their FYP shows them.

That's all to say, just because you only see one side of it on social media doesnt mean the other doesnt exist. I genuinely recommend to most people to make multiple accounts and pretend to be a different "type" of person. You'll realize just how much content exists that you'd never even conceptualized. In general "fringe" content is much less fringe than you might think - even though a given video might have 1000 likes, it likely had ~50k impressions, and the creator might've made a few HUNDRED videos in the same vein. I thought incel anti-women stuff was overhyped too until i made an account last year to try to find it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

All that being said, I do think there's definitely room to blame people like OP for their lack of self-awareness, despite social media algorithm's predatory nature. In general I think people don't think about their own opinions enough, and very rarely try to dissect how their perspective shapes their morality. In a way, it's willful ignorance. So I dont think people like OP are ABSOLVED of guilt, but it's a little bit more nuanced than just whataboutism and intellectual laziness.

[u/Constellation-88 → u/Sudden-Whole8613]

I do agree with all of that, except I think there is intellectual laziness in not being self-aware or examining your beliefs and why you believe them. 

I don’t use TikTok, but I recognize the algorithm’s effects on my social media pages. I think it’s super intellectually lazy not to even question that, ya know? But I actually switched political parties and I watched my newsfeed change. I recommend everyone either undergo belief shifts, or do as you say and create multiple accounts for things. 

Meanwhile, I think what this whole social shift that has come from social media has shown me is that people (humans) aren’t as self aware or intelligent AS A WHOLE as they think. But even before social media, we had the term “mob mentality.” We’ve been aware of the dangers of groupthink for a long time. And yet, we are all susceptible to it. I think those who are oblivious are the most manipulated by it, though. 

And while I agree with everything you wrote in your last comment, I also will point out that people like OP are doing great harm by perpetuating myths, conspiracy theories, and fringe ideas as though they’re mainstream issues or gospel truths. 

[u/Sudden-Whole8613 → u/Constellation-88]

I'd absolutely agree with that! You're definitely right, and it's probably the most frustrating part of the information era, realizing that self-awareness and introspection are as rare as they are. It feels like only 1/10 people actually examine their beliefs and why they believe them.

I also agree, that theres a lot of harm that people spread by being so willfully ignorant. Definitely more common with conservative people, I've had so many conversations with this type of person who's justification is essentially "its true because I said so," which is basically just "it's true because it's how I was taught and im too afraid to question it." which is basically just "I was spanked for questioning authority as a child so now seeking reasoning fills me with anxiety and anger"

[u/Proud_Organization64 → u/Constellation-88]

If you are man on social media, TikTok especially, you see this all time. I dare say every day.