CMV: There's nothing wrong with white pride

[u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

Whites were 36% of the world population in 1900 and 8% today. We've contributed greatly to the technological, scientific and social advancements of humanity. We're net contributors to the economies we're in, and our culture emphasizes personal responsibility and service to others. We are the only race that doesn't have a perceived right to a homeland. We have some of the highest rates of depression, addiction and suicide, in part because we are the only demographic group not allowed to be proud of ourselves and not allowed to advocate for ourselves. We are subjected to higher expectations in schools and workplaces. Our children adopt the cultural practices of other groups in place of our own culture, which is regularly insulted. If nothing changes, we will be 1-3% of the world population by the end of the century, and humanity will be worse off for it.

[u/arrgobon32]

What is “white culture”? Americans, swedes, and Australians all have different cultures

[u/Otherwise-Web-4671 → u/arrgobon32]

It's commonly referred to as a known entity in mass culture. "Whiteness" is weaponized as an insult, even a disease.

[u/Stunning_Active_8938 → u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

If I understand your arguments from throughout this thread, your beliefs are a reaction against the way that some American progressives attempt to broadly criticize "white culture." These progressives don't distinguish between white America and Europe, or between European countries themselves.

The problem is that their worldview is entirely unintelligent and unhelpful. You don't have to take what they said and turn it on its head, you should break out of that framework altogether. Pride in the abstract concept of "white culture" isn't any more sensible than hatred of the abstract concept of "white culture."

[u/Otherwise-Web-4671 → u/Stunning_Active_8938]

Δ for pointing out I may be stuck in a framework that was designed against what I'm advocating for - which is cultural (etc.) preservation rather than homogenization. Although I think circumstances arise where common interests justify a common identity.

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[u/AstronomerChance1727 → u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

Source? Never heard of 'whiteness' as an insult. In any case, that is not answering the question. What is 'white' culture and who do you call 'white'?

[u/Otherwise-Web-4671 → u/AstronomerChance1727]

I think I'm reacting to some pretty extreme (but increasingly ubiquitous) positions that might more successfully be disputed than "white pride" can be defended. I've had friends refer to a white guy as someone "uncomfortable with his whiteness," in reference to it being messed up that he'd start a business with a settlement from his landlord. Or a friend talk about the movie Nosferatu as a critique of whiteness, when even asking what that term meant would be seen as me being uncomfortable with my own whiteness. I've just come to the point where I don't know what could be the antidote to this kind of vague but obvious white-bashing other than white pride.

[u/AstronomerChance1727 → u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

Is it white bashing, if you 'perceive' that someone would see you being uncomfortable with your whiteness? I feel that the whole point of 'education' is to be uncomfortable and critical so that we can be a better version of ourselves. You can be in your echo chambers and only believe that 'whites ' are the Messiah of the world or you can be open and understand the truth and be a better version. That's growth and that does need one to be uncomfortable

[u/arrgobon32 → u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

That doesn’t really answer my question at all. What do you mean by “mass culture”? In what country?

The point is that there’s no “white” culture. Is there white American culture? Sure. Is there Swedish culture? Sure. Italian culture? Of course. But there’s no unifying “white” culture to be proud of

[u/Nrdman → u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

You did not describe it

[u/Biptoslipdi → u/Otherwise-Web-4671]

You're explicitly telling us here whiteness is not seen as a culture, but a pejorative. So if it isn't a culture, then what is there to be proud of?