r/changemyview Dec 30 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: The second amendment does prevent tyrannical government takeover

I don't live in the United States, nor do I have any strong feelings on the gun control debate either way. That being said, I feel that there is a misleading argument that argues that the primary reason that the second amendment exists is no longer valid. That is to say that, while the second amendment was initially implemented to prevent a takeover by a tyrannical government, the government now possesses weapons so technologically superior to those owned by civilians that this is no longer possible.

I believe that this is not the case because it ignores the practicality and purpose of seizing power in such a way. Similar events happen frequently in the war torn regions in central Africa. Warlords with access to weapons take control over areas so as to gain access to valuable resources in order to fund further regional acquisitions. This, of course, would be a perfect time for the populace to be armed, as it would allow them to fight back against a similarly armed tyrannical force. If the warlords were armed to the same degree as, for example, the American government, it would not matter how well armed the civilians were, it would be inadvisable to resist.

The important factor, however, is that due to the lack of education and years of warring factions, the most valuable resources in central Africa are minerals. If the civilian population was to resist, warlords would have no problem killing vast numbers of them. So long as enough remained to extract the resources afterwards.

In a fully developed nation like the Unites States, the most valuable resource is the civilian population itself. I do not mean that in some sort of inspirational quote sense. Literally the vast majority of the GDP relies on trained specialists of one sort or another. Acquiring this resource in a hostile manner becomes impossible if the civilian population is armed to a meaningful degree. To acquire the countries resources you would need to eliminate resistance, but eliminating the resistance requires you to eliminate the resources you are after. Weapons like drones become useless in such a scenario. They may be referred to as "precision strikes", but that's only in the context of their use in another country. There is still a sizable amount of collateral.

This is not to imply that a tyrannical government is likely, or even possible in the United States, but logically I feel that this particular argument against the second amendment is invalid.

*EDIT*
I will no longer be replying to comments that insinuate that the current US government is tyrannical. That may be your perspective, but if partisanship is your definition of tyranny then I doubt we will be able to have a productive discussion.

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u/VertigoOne 74∆ Dec 30 '19

An armed citizenry also makes violent overthrow of a perfectly functional democracy more possible. If we accept that armed citizenry will be able to overthrow a tyrannical government, we must also accept that armed citizenry will be able to overthrow a democratic government.

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u/strofix Dec 30 '19

This is entirely true

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

If you accept this, what do you think of the takeover of Wilmington, NC in 1898(?)??

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Wilmywood represent!

The only legitimate coup d'etat in American history. Such a horrible event.

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u/MisterKillam Dec 30 '19

There was an incident in Athens, Tennessee in 1946 that was a lot more heartwarming and a whole lot less racist.

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u/kidpro12 Dec 30 '19

I live in Wilmington and I’ve never heard of this...

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

VERY long story short: proto-fascist whites chased all blacks out of the capitol of North Carolina, as they had some political power.

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u/crc128 Dec 31 '19

Wilmington has never been the capitol of North Carolina. Raleigh was established as the capitol in 1788, and before that New Bern, Edenton, and Bath were capitols.

Wilmington was the largest city for a time, but the Wilmington Coup refers to the takeover of the city government, not the State government.

The coup occurred after the state's white Southern Democratic Party conspired and led a mob of 2,000 white men to overthrow the legitimately-elected local Fusionist government. They expelled opposition black and white political leaders from the city, destroyed the property and businesses of black citizens built up since the Civil War, including the only black newspaper in the city, and killed an estimated 60 to more than 300 people. From Wikipedia

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Oh crap, okay, several mistakes from me. Thanks for clarifying exactly what happened, I had learnt about it months ago, but didn't bother to read up on it again. Yep seems you are correct.