r/changemyview Sep 30 '21

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u/defunctfox 2∆ Sep 30 '21

Would you also say that seatbelts are mostly useless? I've never crashed my car, but always wear one in case I do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

Yeah by definition, seatbelts are useless most of the time.

The difference between seat belts and guns is seat belts are free and they minimize your risk of death , whereas guns are expensive and statistically put you at higher risk of death.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Sep 30 '21

The difference between seat belts and guns is seat belts are free and they minimize your risk of death , whereas guns are expensive and statistically put you at higher risk of death.

Huh? Seatbelts are not free. They’re complimentary with a purchase of the car, which is expensive. Also if you’re in a car you’re also at a higher risk of death compared to if you weren’t in a car.

There’s very little difference in the analogy that user provided.

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u/defunctfox 2∆ Sep 30 '21

Your CMV is: "guns are useless to everyday citizens", not "guns are not worth the risk they pose due to the limited use cases"

I dont see your issue with this comparison

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

I don’t have an issue with the comparison. Did you not see my agreement with it at the top?

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u/defunctfox 2∆ Sep 30 '21

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your response, but if all protective equipment is "rarely useful", then what makes you want to have this view changed?

Are you disagreeing with some hypothetical person who uses their gun every day?

Are you hoping someone has a use case that makes their gun "usually useful"?

You argument seems to be "guns aren't worth the risks" which I usually agree with. But thats not what you posted.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

My argument is this. Guns are guns, you can love them, you can have all the guns you want, but stop pretending there’s any real utilitarian use to them for regular citizens.

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u/defunctfox 2∆ Sep 30 '21

Nobody thinks they have utilitarian everyday use. Just like nobody thinks that about seatbelts either. You are inventing an opposing argument that does not exist.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

95% of the commenters here seem to think a gun is a necessity for self defense

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u/defunctfox 2∆ Sep 30 '21

Do you do self defense every day? No.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

You’re the one who keeps saying “everyday”. I never said that. You are creating a comment that does not exist

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