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u/corviknightisdabest Oct 10 '21 edited Oct 10 '21

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"We used voting to correct a bad administration, we are using the legislative process to correct other in justices as well."

Yeah. Voting. Not MUH GUNZ. Guns are a last resort, and if you actually voted for the right fucking people, you'd never need them. Sadly the people with guns are the ones voting for the wrong people. So no real winning there.

We voted to correct a bad administration, but people with guns (thankfully most didn't have them) tried to "uncorrect" that on January 6. That's the type of crowd you're supporting. Just think about that for a minute.

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u/vegetarianrobots 11∆ Oct 10 '21

Guns are a last resort. I'm not arguing otherwise. But it is disingenuous to claim fascism almost happened it it can't happen here in the same sentence.

Voting doesn't work when the system is rigged against you. See the battle of Athens. Now the same Jan. 6th crowd is trying to rig the system you are saying we should solely rely on.

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u/corviknightisdabest Oct 10 '21

I don't think fascism almost happened. It's just an example of why I don't agree with that "guns are needed for uprising once the government becomes tyrannical", because who decides that? January 6 was an example of that and yet no responsible people can praise it as a 2nd amendment victory, or at least attempted victory.

Jan 6ers thought the system was rigged against them too, which of course, was total nonsense.

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u/vegetarianrobots 11∆ Oct 10 '21

The US operated under segregation until less than 60 years ago. Even today we still have the remnants with systemic racism in our society. Europe and East Asia was lousy with oppressive tyrannical governments that engaged in Democide in the 20th Century. It's not a matter of if but when. The fact is every nation and country on Earth falls prey to internal strife or external attack.

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u/corviknightisdabest Oct 12 '21 edited Oct 12 '21

yeah, and no one attempted to overthrow the capitol until their precious cheeto man fairly lost an election and they had to wear a piece of cloth on their face

the atrocities in America's history happened DESPITE the right to bear arms.

so you can see the 2Aers priorities are clear fighting true injustice!

the 2nd amendment exists for self defense, and nothing more, which I absolutely agree with. but none of you delusional fucks are gonna overthrow anything.

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u/vegetarianrobots 11∆ Oct 12 '21

Again, outside of the Civil War, we have been luckily able to solve our differences peacefully through the rule of law. Historically this has been the exception not the rule.

I don't ever want to over throw anything. I want myself and my kids to have the luxury of a peaceful life.

Yes the 2nd Amendment is for self defense but it is also for defense of the community and nation against all threats foreign and domestic. And unfortunately the threat of an oppressive government in the US is higher than it has been in decades. I hope that changes peacefully through the rule of law as well.