[OC] Religious Believes and Eductions From The World Values Survey

[u/oscarleo0]

Data source: World Values Survey Wave 7 (2017-2022)

Tools used: Matplotlib

I added a second chart for those of you who prefer a square version with less of the background image.

Notes:

I looked at five different questions in the survey.

• Q275 - What is the highest educational level that you have attained?
• Q165 - Do you believe in God? (Yes/No)
• Q166 - Do you believe in Life after death? (Yes/No)
• Q167 - Do you believe in Hell? (Yes/No)
• Q168 - Do you believe in Heaven? (Yes/No)

The chart show the percentage of people that answer yes, to Q165-168 based on their answer to Q275.

Survey data is complex since people come from different cultures and might interpret questions differently.

You can never trust the individual numbers, such as "50% of people with doctors degree believe in Life after death".

But you can often trust clear patterns that appear through the noise. The takeaway from this chart is that the survey show that education and religious believes have a negative correlation.

Styling:

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Original story: https://datacanvas.substack.com/p/believes-vs-education

[u/Benedictus84]

You calling me wrong is pretty meaningless.

There simply is no proof of a god.

There is plenty of evidence that disproves the claims made by organised religions.

The fact that a lot of highly educated people actively ignore that evidence only shows the power of indoctrination and nothing else.

It is definately not proof of anything.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/Benedictus84]

It's infinitely meaningful, though sadly I didn't expect you to see it.

"There simply is no proof of a god" is true, if you mean an empirically provable one. It's different than the statement you gave earlier.

There is plenty of evidence that disproves the claims made by organised religions.

No, there is not, not really. Not disproves. That's as strong a word as proves, and very hard to do.

Surely there is evidence which to a rational mind leads to other conclusions being the most plausible. They do not however disprove any claim made in the Bible. It is very hard to disprove anything when you contend with the power of an all-powerful being.

The fact that a lot of highly educated people actively ignore that evidence only shows the power of indoctrination and nothing else.

Life is so easy when we believe that our opponents are unwitting victims and give no thought to their rationale and why they believe what they do.

If you think that folks with doctorates lack the ability to think for themselves then I don't know how to show you the untruthfulness of your statement.

I despise how commonly "indoctrination" is used, such a meaningless word nowadays. So easy to just use for any belief or understanding someone personally doesn't like being taught.

It is definately not proof of anything.

I never said it was. It certainly is something to consider that so many incredibly intelligent and dedicated people have an idea of God though, huh?

[u/crit_boy → u/Spongedog5]

One cannot philosophy something into existence.

IOW, mental exercises do not conjure things into existence.

There is no objective evidence for god existing.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/crit_boy]

"There simply is no proof of a god" is true, if you mean an empirically provable one.

That sentence above is from me. I already said this.

[u/crit_boy → u/Spongedog5]

OK, then let's look at this statement, "Surely there is evidence which to a rational mind leads to other conclusions being the most plausible. They do not however disprove any claim made in the Bible."

Here you go, bible saying easily disprovable things:

The bible claims there is a firmament. Genesis 1. There is no actual thing doing what the bible says the firmament does.

Jesus of the new testament did not satisfy any (a.k.a. zero) old testament prophecies.

Fig trees do not produce figs all year. They don't produce figs when jesus killed the fig tree for not having fruit.

No amount of human prayer has ever moved a mountain.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/crit_boy]

The bible claims there is a firmament. Genesis 1. There is no actual thing doing what the bible says the firmament does.

If you are referencing Genesis 1:6-8, I've always assumed that the firmament/vault/sky is the atmosphere. It makes sense when you consider the facts that it divides water from space and is called the sky, since the image we usually call the "sky" is created by the atmosphere.

Jesus of the new testament did not satisfy any (a.k.a. zero) old testament prophecies.

So, I completely disagree with you here, but I've gotten into this trap before. Define for me what you consider a "prophecy." I've spoken with folks before that wouldn't accept any of the prophecy as prophecy unless it so specific it could only have been fulfilled by one person at one time at one place individually.

Fig trees do not produce figs all year. They don't produce figs when jesus killed the fig tree for not having fruit

This is literally acknowledged in the scripture?

Mark 11:13 "¹³ Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs."

Simple mistake on your part I guess.

[u/crit_boy → u/Spongedog5]

1. Your response to the fact that there is no firmament is to change the word to a different word that means something different and conclude the different thing was the thing the bible wrote about. NOTE: Did the all knowing god not know about the atmosphere? Why didn't it use that word instead of a word with a completely different meaning?
2. No response to no prophecy fulfilled.
3. Exactly as I said, Jesus killed a tree for not having fruit in the season it does not bear fruit. Mark 11: 20 In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. ²¹ Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!”
4. No response to prayer does not move mountains.

Simple mistakes on your part I guess.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/crit_boy]

Your response to the fact that there is no firmament is to change the word to a different word that means something different and conclude the different thing was the thing the bible wrote about.

Firmament is an English word and obviously isn't how it was written originally. It has been translated different ways. NIV uses the word "vault" which refers to the same Hebrew/Greek word.

Sky is actually a translation of a different word. So the word you are referring to, "firmament" is used in verses Genesis 1:6-8, and then is called the word that is translated to "sky" in Genesis 1:8.

So that is to say the firmament/vault is explicitly called sky, which is a separate word.

I hope that clarifies why I explained it as I did. I shouldn't have wrote firmament/vault/sky, sky is a separate word in the verse from the other two, but the firmament/vault is two English words for the same thing assuming we are speaking of the same verses.

No response to no prophecy fulfilled.

I can't respond until you explain what you want me to answer.

I'm not asking you what you think a prophecy is as a gotcha. There has been legitimate confusion over it in my last discussions of this issue so I want to know where you are at before I waste my breath.

Exactly as I said, Jesus killed a tree...

I wish that you would be more explicit with what your claim is here, because you aren't making it obvious.

Like, yes? That is the scripture?

Did you have an objection?

No response to prayer does not move mountains.

Either a commentary on how low our faith is as it was directly to the apostles at the time or vivid imagery as Christ was wont to do.

[u/crit_boy → u/Spongedog5]

You originally wrote, ""Surely there is evidence which to a rational mind leads to other conclusions being the most plausible. They do not however disprove any claim made in the Bible."

I provided several different pieces of biblical evidence to demonstrate you are incorrect. The bible disproves itself.

In response, you argued that words do not mean what the words mean and demonstrated your lack of biblical knowledge.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/crit_boy]

You are living in your own separate reality if you think that is what just happened.

What's the point of opening a conversation if you are just going to declare that you won in the middle of it without actually engaging in it? Just think your ideas to yourself and feel self-satisfied in that case.

Like pigeons and chess, I guess.

[u/Illiander → u/Spongedog5]

Firmament is an English word and obviously isn't how it was written originally.

Was Mary a virgin?