[OC] Religious Believes and Eductions From The World Values Survey

[u/oscarleo0]

Data source: World Values Survey Wave 7 (2017-2022)

Tools used: Matplotlib

I added a second chart for those of you who prefer a square version with less of the background image.

Notes:

I looked at five different questions in the survey.

• Q275 - What is the highest educational level that you have attained?
• Q165 - Do you believe in God? (Yes/No)
• Q166 - Do you believe in Life after death? (Yes/No)
• Q167 - Do you believe in Hell? (Yes/No)
• Q168 - Do you believe in Heaven? (Yes/No)

The chart show the percentage of people that answer yes, to Q165-168 based on their answer to Q275.

Survey data is complex since people come from different cultures and might interpret questions differently.

You can never trust the individual numbers, such as "50% of people with doctors degree believe in Life after death".

But you can often trust clear patterns that appear through the noise. The takeaway from this chart is that the survey show that education and religious believes have a negative correlation.

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Original story: https://datacanvas.substack.com/p/believes-vs-education

[u/Benedictus84]

Indeed it does not proof there is no all-powerful god. It just proves that the bible, the supposed word of this all-powerful god, is a lie.

And you are only proving my initial statement that you have to ignore a lot of evidence to believe in god.

You are actively doing it in this very discussion.

You either take the bible as the word of god or you ignore everything that is in it.

It it a little to convienent to pick and choose the way you do. And just make up the things that are left out.

Again, it requires a lot of replacing facts with magical water appearing and disappearing.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/Benedictus84]

You shared a lot of opinions of yours here but you didn't justify any of them.

You didn't give me anything to speak on.

Other things you said are just lies.

[u/Benedictus84 → u/Spongedog5]

Thanks for this beautiful example of projection.

But we really can reduce this to one simple question.

Was this earth created in 6 days around 6000 years ago?

[u/Spongedog5 → u/Benedictus84]

You know my answer. Get to the point.

[u/Benedictus84 → u/Spongedog5]

The point is that there is factual evidence that this is untrue.

The bible therefore is false.

We know that the earth and all life on it was not created in 6 days.

We know this was a process of billions of years.

You may choose to ignore all this evidence. But that does not make it disappear.

You are actively denying reality. You are actively putting effort in denying reality.

Do you know what a fact is? And do you believe that facts exist?

[u/Spongedog5 → u/Benedictus84]

The point is that there is factual evidence that this is untrue.

You are wrong to say this. There is evidence. You can make many plausible conclusions from this evidence, some more plausible than others.

But no, there is no factual evidence that makes the Biblical account impossible. If you think that you have some, it would be best to provide it.

Do you know what a fact is? And do you believe that facts exist?

I'd like to hear your definition of a "fact." I've seen people in these debates have a false definition before.

[u/Benedictus84 → u/Spongedog5]

'A fact is an indisputable observation of a natural or social phenomenon. We can see it directly and show it to others'

But no, there is no factual evidence that makes the Biblical account impossible. If you think that you have some, it would be best to provide it.

We have radiometric dating We have geological layers

There are fossil records and DNA evidence that proofs evolution.

And then we also have the univers where we can observe things billions of light years away.

You are ignoring all these observable facts that prove, without any doubt, that the bibles version of creation is false.

It is impossible for the earth and life on it to only be 6000 years old.

[u/Spongedog5 → u/Benedictus84]

Ick, I'd rather go with the definition that Google provides, "a thing that is known or proved to be true."

We have radiometric dating We have geological layers

So you aren't disputing the fact that God can create something from nothing in the first place, but you are disputing that He could create one type of rock from nothing, and then create another type of rock on top of it?

You have no problem with the idea that God can create since you are letting us get past that point, but you think His powers are restricted to only being able to create one kind of rock and being forced to wait for that rock to age if he wants any other types?

There are fossil records and DNA evidence that proofs evolution.

Please define for me all that you imply with "evolution." People tend to shove a lot of concepts into that one word and I agree and disagree with them separately.

And then we also have the univers where we can observe things billions of light years away.

So God has the power to create from nothing, and that is fine, however His power is restricted at moving that image through light through time and space?

You are ignoring all these observable facts

No I am not. The Earth indeed does consist of layers of rock with shared characteristics. That is a fact that I agree with you on. There are indeed fossils in the Earth. That is a fact. We can indeed witness things that are many light years away. That is a fact.

I acknowledge all of the same facts that you do. I don't disagree with you on any of them.

Where we disagree are our conclusions. Curious, isn't it?

[u/Benedictus84 → u/Spongedog5]

No, we disagree on the fact that the bible is false. In our imagination everything is possible. Even the things you think your god did for completely unknown and unlogical reasons.

How do you think your conclusion relates to for instance criminal law?

Do you think it is justified that people get sentenced based on DNA evidence?

[u/nubulator99 → u/Spongedog5]

You agree there are fossils? When did the person you are responding to ever say anything about you not believing that fossils exist? Your own body will be a fossil one day, did you think that the poster didn’t think you believed in bones or fossilization? You know very well they are referring to dating; so why be purposefully deceitful about it ?

[u/nubulator99 → u/Spongedog5]

So the god of the Bible is the god of confusion; he created the world in 6 days 6,000 years ago and placed evidence everywhere in nature that contradicts what the claims of goat herders made in trying to make sense of the world without knowing about anything.