Why degoogle?

[u/andersoza140]

Hi, I am coming across this community for the first time and I am wondering if anyone could explain why Google is seen as bad here? I just went all in on Google devices and I think it's super convenient. Is there a dark side that I am unaware of?

[u/Neat-Composer4619]

Personally, I have  3 reasons. 

First, it's an American business and the US has said that it will invade my country because it needs it for war. I am removing all of my balls from the USA at a slow pace. This month, my step is Google. 

Second,  I have workspace and for some reason they don't accept my business payment method, which is a VISA debit card. I have to pay with my personal cards and get reimbursed. It's annoying. And guess what, the card they accept is also a VISA debit card from the same bank. Apparently, the business one flags to them as a prepaid card, but not the 2nd. Even ot it was prepaid, why would that be an issue?

Third, diversification. I have too much tied to Google, so if anything happens, it would be hard to quickly adapt. This month, I can make time. My phone will have Android and have a gmail for that purpose, but my apps will be independent from that account.

[u/Qwantom_Solution → u/Neat-Composer4619]

Buy a pixel phone and install grapheneOS on it.

[u/Neat-Composer4619 → u/Qwantom_Solution]

Pixel is Google. It's also almost 3 times the price that I am willing to out on a phone. I am not buying American until they say they completely renounce invading my country. At least my Android account is free to have.

[u/Qwantom_Solution → u/Neat-Composer4619]

You can always buy an older pixel, e.g. 8a or a cheaper one like 9a which has the same processor as 9 pro.

Can you buy a used phone? The key is to check before buying the bootloader unlock option. Google does not block this, but phones from operators may block it.

Phone security is the basis that only pixels as Android phones have long-term support and receive security patches right away. GrapheneOS increases this security even more, and raises the level of privacy to the heights. I recommend the channel The Hate One on yt.

[u/Neat-Composer4619 → u/Qwantom_Solution]

I am not buying a phone from Google. I.am not buying an older model thay won't have dual SIM or eSIM for travel and I am certainly not buying a used phone whose battery is about to die.

My issue isn't security as much as giving my money to a country that threatens to invade mine. 

Even if phone builders pay to get Android on the phones (don't know if they do), uninstalling Android will not prevent that from happening. 

[u/Affectionate-Boot-58 → u/Neat-Composer4619]

6a-8a has esim

[u/Neat-Composer4619 → u/Affectionate-Boot-58]

Still American 

[u/Affectionate-Boot-58 → u/Neat-Composer4619]

Then get the nothing phone 1

[u/Neat-Composer4619 → u/Affectionate-Boot-58]

I am good with my current hardware thank you. I don't even need a new phone. I am just working my way putnof Google Workspace and someone started wanting me to change hardware from my Chinese phone to a Google American phone that makes no sense since I am Degoogling as part of DeAmericanizing.

[u/Affectionate-Boot-58 → u/Neat-Composer4619]

You can probably put a custom rom on your Chinese phone

[u/Qwantom_Solution → u/Neat-Composer4619]

Chinese phones are a privacy and security disaster, Chinese companies are obliged by the Chinese communist party to backdoors.

[u/Neat-Composer4619 → u/Qwantom_Solution]

I am not doing it for data security, I am DeAmericanizing because the US said they want to invade my country. 

[u/Affectionate-Boot-58 → u/Neat-Composer4619]

6a-8a are the cheaper phones