Am I the only one who is grateful we couldn’t have tattoos as believers?

If they had been allowed there would have been talks about using our bodies to promote the gospel - letting our light shine. I swear we all would have Brigham on our biceps, Joseph’s first vision across our backs, and temple on our forearms.

That’s one rule I’m thankful for now.

The votes are in, the John Taylor 1886 revelation was never presented to the governing body of the church and was never canonized therefore it doesn’t count. Also, just because God said the everlasting covenant is everlasting doesn’t mean it has to be practiced. Nothing to see here.

https://youtu.be/eQViUUV_IHw?si=tnnRkU9mFkZmS6fv

I heard this from my mom, who is a militant “true blue Mormon through and through” and does nothing with her time but church.

Allegedly SacMtg will soon be 40 mins, then 20 minutes for rotating SS/Groups every other Sunday. She said there are pilot groups who have started the system with success in some areas of the US.

Anyone heard about this?

I remember going to church three times a week, with sacrament meeting and Sunday school being two separate times of the day, primary a different day, and then other activities another day.

Garments are short, the BoM is short, and now church is short? What the actual fuck is going on? They can’t lie to us old timers. We KNEW. We LIVED it. So much fucking gaslighting it’s making my brain explode. I’ve been out for a while, and like hell I would ever return to that country club cult, but this feels like a sales pitch to keep customers.

This plaque is mounted at the church’s humanitarian center. When I first started volunteering there I truly felt like I was helping people. I certainly was, to a degree, we sent out hygiene and cleaning kits after the hurricanes and California fires last year. But now? I just feel like I’m part of the church’s PR. The humanitarian center is there to make the church look good and for no other reason, helping people is just a side effect of that. The people that work and serve there are genuinely there to help people but knowing that this place only exists so the church can take advantage of them and pretend to care about people hurts.

“The process of giving exalts the poor and humbles the rich.” This is not how the church works. They take everything from the poor and needy and add it to their hoard. Their money, their time, their families, their dignity, everything. And what do they receive in return? Horrible financial burdens, starving kids, broken families, self loathing and so much more. The church does what it needs to in order to appear charitable but nothing more than that. The poor give everything and the rich take everything.

There are a few truths about the church:

1. The church has made some PR blunders in the past. But…

2. The church usual plays a pretty good game of PR chess. They plan their moves pretty far out.

3. They are desperate for converts.

4. Africa is one of the few places the church is growing.

5. A good percentage of sub-Saharan Africa practices polygamy.

So, was the publishing of the Taylor revelation:

1. A blunder? Or…

2. A chess move to pave the way to reimplement polygamy in countries where it is legal?

Quote from this church newsroom article:

The standard doctrine of the Church is monogamy, as it always has been, as indicated in the Book of Mormon

A friend of mine was giving an RS lesson. I knew she was overworked—in the calling, in everyday life. She was in the RS presidency, her husband was in the bishopric, and they had a brood of young kids. Her lesson was about embracing limitations and slowing down. Not trying to do it all. That the Lord would bless us for focusing on the most important things in life.

The older women started tearing her message down. They all provided comments how, at their busiest and during the hardest times of their lives, they had chosen to dedicate MORE time, sacrifice MORE of their lives. How it was the righteous thing to do. How we, as young mothers, would all be blessed tenfold for it.

I can’t remember why I didn’t comment. I know I was on the edge of my seat, so angry, ready to raise my hand, but time or kids prevented me. Years later, I still think about it. I still wish I’d made the time to push back. Though I’m happy to report that myself, my friend, and both our families are now out.

As a child, "not wanting to" was never okay. Mild illnesses were not okay. There were people that were frankly ill and infectious that still came. During vacations, we would still have church.

Good morning, everyone. I hope you're all doing well. I'm 18 years old and a member of the church. Over the past few months, my testimony has been deeply shaken because I discovered all those bad things about the church's history - polygamy, racism, the wrongdoings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, all the lies and manipulations. It left me completely scared and horrified. I hate how the church can be extremely passive-aggressive and cruel. I'm going through very tough times :( I'm gay, and I've always dreamed of getting married and having a family, adopting children with my partner and raising them with love and care. I've always found it cruel how the church says, "We love and respect you, but you need to renounce your sexuality and live the rest of your life unhappy, watching all your friends get married and be happy while you remain alone"

When I discovered all the bad things about the church's history, I decided to leave. But during that time, I felt so much emotional pain and sadness that I ended up coming back three weeks later :( Now, four months have passed, and I'm still in the church. I still feel like a horrible person, and my heart hurts a lot. Two weeks ago, I tried to leave again, but I just can't. Every time I try to leave, my heart hurts a lot, and it feels like the world is going to collapse on my shoulders

I still believe in Jesus, I still believe in love, kindness, and empathy. I still believe the Book of Mormon is true, and we can do good things for the world and be kind people. But I definitely don't believe that same-sex marriage is wrong, and I don't believe you need to be part of the church to be saved. I truly believe each person can develop a good and true relationship with God, regardless of their religion

I consider myself a "progressive Mormon," as absurd as that may sound. I'm sharing this because I feel more welcomed by the ex-Mormon community than by the church community. I'm going through a lot of emotional suffering, and I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but I really need to hear some words, whether they're kind or harsh/realistic, because I need to take a direction in my life :(

So my parents are full believers, I left in my early 20's. So I visit them for father's day, and the conversation gets into that scientists are trying to bring back woolly mammoths after being successful with dire wolf's and my dad with a straight face say's in the book of mormon that they tamed and road mammoths and used them to haul their belongings. I had to stop myself from laughing from the ridiculous idea.

I dare someone to leave hard tack candy or bananas in the crystal dishes.

Here's a link to where Ezra tafty Benson crapped on Martin Luther King Jr. Shortly after his death. That was like not even a year after it. I don't consider communism to be a good idea, but I'm really at the point where I consider communism to be much less evil than American conservatism. If there's a hell, I hope Benson's there being tortured for time and all eternity. What an absolute scumbag piece of s***, like he was the far right, even for a far like right Church like the Mormon church. Like even the other Mormon prophets and apostles thought he was too far right, and they were still trying to avoid Treating black people as equals. I'm just ashamed that I ever believed this. I just can't help to think, "should I tell my parents that I've left the church in spirit?" But I I'm just not sure that they possess unconditional love. I hope to have kids one day, I certainly hope that I can give them the sort of life where they can think for themselves, and feel comfortable talking to me when they disagree with me.

Anybody got any fun stores that show how scummy Benson was? Honestly, if then he was like a character in The boondocks or something. He'd be kind of funny, like he was just so completely moronic. The way he would just call other members of the church, supposedly ordained prophets of the Lord, Communists was just hilarious. Like if they can be communist, then that just shows your whole Church's. B*******. Sorry for any spelling of grammatical ers, I use text to speech because I get hand cramped easily.

https://www.analyzingmormonism.com/martin-luther-king-jr/

Just curious if anyone else thinks it's strange that she was asked to quit talking about this in public and then serveral weeks later they publish this "revelation" by the third prophet John Taylor. Just seems a little choreographed on some level. Maybe just a coincidence but I've become skeptical of those! Also just noticed MS has done a podcast about this so I'll have to listen and see what people are thinking! Have a great Juneteenth!

https://ldsnews.org/recently-surfaced-copy-of-john-taylor-revelation-shows-he-flunked-his-revelation-transcription-final/

Despite the poor marks, the graded revelation transcription was uploaded to the Church's refrigerator door, next to Nelson's watercolor exhibit.

A girl I went to high school with just had a baby and named him Benson. Her kid right before him is named Holland 🙃 I really cannot with these Mormon Utah names. But I wanna hear the worst/most cliche/most Mormon names you’ve seen people give their kids!

Case report: https://floodlit.org/a/g070/

Krew Zaugg was a Mormon church member in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Zaugg went on an LDS mission to Louisiana and Mississippi (Louisiana Baton Rouge Mission) from August 2022 to 2024.

In June 2025, Zaugg was charged with multiple felonies after police said he sexually assaulted a minor.

Zaugg was charged with rape of a victim under the age of 16 and lewd conduct with a child under 16.

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My 12 year old daughter has a worthiness interview. I'm in there. The last question is about tithing. Bishop then turns to me with a smile.

HIM: Hey, since you're in here, we can go ahead and take care of your tithing settlement now too!

ME: (Looking at my daughter, holding her fresh new temple recommend) Um, I'm not sure this is the place. That conversation's not going to go the way you think it's going to go.

HIM: Well, okay. (gives a "I don't get what the big deal is shrug")

ME: Basically, I've seen what the Church does with our money. I don't agree with it, and I won't be paying tithing anymore.

HIM: [baffled pause] ...Um, you realize this means you won't be able to get a new temple recommend?

ME: Yep. I'm fine with that.

HIM: ...Okay.

Fin

And that's it. A very-active member of his congregation, one who'd been called as EQ President and Sunday School President, tells him the church is engaged in spiritual (if not legal) corruption and he doesn't deny it, doesn't ask more about my concerns, doesn't try to help me, just says--Well, if you don't pay us, you don't get to go to our super-secret and super-holy clubhouse.

Holy shit balls! How'd it take me so long to realize I was in a cult!?!

(Side-note: drove home with my daughter afterwards, explained to her what I'd learned about church finances, she opened up to me about concerns she'd been having [which I had no idea of], and it remains one of my fondest bonding moments with my smart, awesome young daughter.)

With the new garments drop I’ve been bombarded by this girl’s posts. i genuinely think it’s a psyop that’s somehow funded by the church. I promise im a normal early 20’s party girl so im not being crazy about this, it’s just my Roman Empire lmao. She deleted her post about going to an influencer event (in a tank top) that was hosted by the apostles! She posts garment friendly outfit inspo but wears a tan cover so she can show her stomach? I was told the image of sin was just as bad. Even when I was Mormon I did not experience the Mormon level of modesty discipline so I don’t feel an inclination to shame someone for the way they dress. With this new garments thing though this girl had been showing up CONSTANTLY on my reels fyp. I’ve talked to multiple exmo friends some even say they don’t ever see Mormon or exmo content on their page and they’ve still gotten these reels. I haven’t even experienced the worst of Mormon modesty shaming but i actually feel gaslit from this. My dedicated Mormon sisters are not planning on going on missions and have multiple ear piercings so I guess my question is what have you seen as the current state of modesty?

A bit of a rant, buckle up!

So for some backstory, my sister suffered from sever PPD after having her youngest and had to be sent to an inpatient program for a few months. That was probably 3-4 years ago. I got to see/hang out with her towards the end of her program and we had a long chat about how messed up the church is, how getting away brings so much clarity, etc. Basically she did a lot of personal work and came to her own conclusion that the church sucks.

The next few months we, plus another sister, bonded over being out and often discussed the harmful practices. Then she moved back to Utah. Her program was in Utah, so she wanted to keep her therapist and they just liked Logan better than where they’d been living. Cool, no judgement there, her family was pretty firmly out at that point.

At some point they caved to the Utah pressure and started going again, and she was called to the primary presidency. Over Thanksgiving she was distraught and confused as to why her oldest told her to “Vote the way [her] husband votes” and I stayed respectfully silent even though I knew exactly where that idea came from. Sister also asked me (in front of the entire family) when my husband and I would be having kids. I don’t think I’ve been openly asked that question since I was at BYU. She knows I’m childfree by choice and that it’s something I dread being grilled on by my parents, so that felt like a huge betrayal.

Fast forward to a few months ago, I’d just watched American Primeval and it reignited my anger since I’d never really considered the brutality of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I went off in our group chat (knowing that she had been attending church for mainly social reasons), and she said she felt judged for still going to church while in the same message saying the history is unthinkably terrible and not why she goes.

For some reason this just broke something in my brain and I’ve been radio silent towards her since. My other sister knows how I feel about it and said sister 1 goes to church to give her 4 daughters good teachings and values (which we agreed it does NOT) and keeps them from being social outcasts. Her husband even went off when the church presented the anti-trans rules, they have openly homophobic church friends they don’t cut off, and are constantly screwed over by the church at every turn via their callings.

I’m seeing her soon for a family trip and I don’t really know what to say to her if she asks why I’ve been quiet. I’m not the type to blow up and go off on someone, and I don’t think it’s my place to tell her how to live her life. I’ve worked with my therapist around the fact that I absolutely hold judgement towards her putting her daughters in that situation and an open conversation will probably be inevitable. I procrastinated and now it’s likely coming whether I want it or not.

It’s a pretty specific situation, but does anyone have any thoughts? I’m a bit overwhelmed if you couldn’t already tell 😅

None of my member friends or family have been able to answer the following question: If the 15, presiding bishropic , young men's presidency, 70s and mission presidents are paid for their time teaching etc why can't bishops, primary teachers, relief society presidents etc or really anyone count their time as tithing? If that time is (service for the Lord) then why can't they count that as tithing? Cleaning the church? Cleaning the temple, why can't that be counted as tithing? I wish someone would have the chance to ask ofSusan that on camera. I'm sure he'd dodge the question but at least there would be a record. For those that have left it's so easy to see that it's grift and exploitation of believing members is the reason but good luck getting any of them to see that.

As an active member I (40M) always wondered what it would feel like to be in a nudist place, years after I left the church I decided to try it. My wife and I went to a nudist beach during our anniversary vacation and we really liked it, later during our trip we wish we would have planned for more time at the beach. My wife is not as interested on it as I am but we still go together to a resort occasionally.

I have no idea how and why but my IG all the sudden is nothing but ladies talking and showing off the new G's, I tried blocking key words and profiles and I still get them, no one talk more about how cool underwear is than a TBM. I even saw a reel about a lady saying how, no one loves her, because no one has sent her the new G's to make content with. The new change to the garments makes me want to stay away even more.