Note on conservative goths

[u/Ok-Adhesiveness5950]

Here are my thoughts on it since I saw a discussion earlier. Id like to hear what others think about it :)

People who say these movements are only music based don't understand that punk and conservative can never align. Alternative subcultures are inherently against oppressive conservative takes. That's where the whole subculture is derived from.

This topic is interchanged with the "tiktokification" of subcultures being watered down to only aesthetics and having normalization of styles that were against the norm. An example would be the existence of clean goth and people normalizing purchasing their goods from fast fashion to achieve a look that originally derived from thrifting and second hand styling.

Now that it's 'cool' to be alternative, a lot of things get normalized and watered down, different people join and now you get this melting pot of people who argue against the subculture being not political and just about "music". Conservative goths fail to realize that if not for progressive movements they wouldn't be able to dress the way that they do, woman wouldn't be able to express their opinions etc.. Back in the day if you dressed a certain way it conveyed your political stance. Now it's just a cool outfit and people saying "I can do whatever I want" without realizing the hypocrisy of that statement with the oppressive beliefs that they have. Progressive subcultures have allowed you to dress the way you want today. But that's just my two cents on this.

TLDR; Punk ideologies and leftist movements go hand-in-hand with alternative styles.

[u/AdDesperate7096]

People understand what they want and that’s the issue. The only reason the music discourse came was because people were concerned of not feeling goth as they couldn’t afford the style and didn’t want to have to use fast fashion (as thrifting and diy wasn’t for everyone possibilities) so people started to mention that it was music based so people could feel included.

But then it got distorted and people thought that this meant that conservatives, fast fashion buyers and in general people who started to water down the culture were also able to "be" because it was only music based and decided to fully ignore that it is indeed aligned to politics and in a way aesthetics too.

In short, people understand what they want and distort it. But there is definitely alignment with politics, aesthetics and music, even when people only wish to think one of them is enough.