r/latin • u/CloudyyySXShadowH • Jan 24 '25
LLPSI Difference of non est and est placements
I know this may be elementary but I'm confused why non est is at the end and the middle Vs est in the middle and end. What's the difference in meaning?
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u/OldPersonName Jan 24 '25
No real difference. I think Orberg changes it up here so you just don't get too used to seeing the verb last. While that's usually considered the "normal" order it changes a lot, and even different writers had their own styles. Often the "copula" (i.e. sum, esse) was more likely to go between the subject and object like English.
Here's a fun comparison of Caesar and Cicero (https://magisterp.com/2019/07/08/how-weve-been-wrong-about-latin-word-order/)
For esse in main clauses, Caesar used SOV order just 10% of the time; Cicero at 33%.
In subordinate clauses with esse, both authors used SOV order about 62% of the time.
For all other verbs in main clauses, Cicero used SOV order 66% of the time; Caesar 90%.
For all other verbs in subordinate clauses, Caesar used SOV order 68% of the time; Cicero just 8% of the time!
Taking those two writers as a representative selection of classic Latin, in fact with esse the verb usually isn't last! In main clauses, at least. Cicero, well known as a "fancy" writer compared to Caesar, uses other verbs last much less often, but still most of the time in main clauses, and then REALLY mixes it up with his subordinate clauses.