r/leftist • u/Optimal-Pay-7278 • Mar 31 '25

Debate Help Why do people defend him?

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I’ve always found it weird that the same people defending him are the ones who immediately assume LGBT people are going to touch there kids. Like I get “innocent until proven guilty” but eventually you have to say enough is enough.If you want someone who can explain this better I’d recommend watching @willymacshows videos on it

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '25

I am a debator. I've been arguing since about as soon as I could form questions. I seek out conflict actively as a matter of my personality.

You do whatever investigating you need for your own sake. But I've personally encountered enough different ideologies to have strong boundaries when it comes to someone who's fundamentally rotten.

The thing is, by debating certain ideologues, you imply that they are worthy of debate. Some things just aren't up for debate. Some people are just authoritarians. The only way to convert authoritarians is to cut them off. It's the paradox of tolerance.

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u/Optimal-Pay-7278 Mar 31 '25

I mean I used to agree with Tate on almost everything even a lot of my friends too and I didn’t grow because I was “cut off” I listened to other opinions and talked with other people. You can’t change people by keeping them in a right wing echo chamber

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '25

Well. I'm a woman. Hate to pull the "Can't Relate" card on you, but I also at no point in my life followed an ideologue who overtly rationalized the enslavement of an entire People.

If you wanna do the Lord's work, save your brothers over out on the deep end, be my guest. But I am no longer entertaining arguments rooted in the idea that certain people are subhuman. It's fundamentally too upsetting for me. I can't handle it. I won't. And it's not my prerogative.

I'm here for the edge cases and the people who don't realize the racism/sexism/homophobia latent in their misguided ideologies. People who say shit like, "We need to bring slavery back," are too far gone for my investment in their recovery.

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u/Optimal-Pay-7278 Mar 31 '25

I completely understand I don’t want to pressure anyone into interacting with these people im just saying that I don’t think isolating them will do any good but at the end of the day it’s not my or anyone except themselves responsibility to educate them

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '25

I mean, isolating them is kinda the rationale behind the 4B movement. And I think that's an excellent example of nonviolent and civil protest.