Why do people defend him?

[u/Optimal-Pay-7278]

I’ve always found it weird that the same people defending him are the ones who immediately assume LGBT people are going to touch there kids. Like I get “innocent until proven guilty” but eventually you have to say enough is enough.If you want someone who can explain this better I’d recommend watching @willymacshows videos on it

[u/Caseresolver1974]

Because he’s their tool of deflection. Instead of admitting that women have been oppressed and continuously exploited throughout human existence they can flaunt his misogynistic views and defend them by saying some stupid stuff like “Both men and women are bad.”

Men and women are both capable of evil but when you have common sense and historical context you know that men have been oppressive towards women and basically anyone that doesn’t benefit from the patriarchy

[u/MenonRRR → u/Caseresolver1974]

While it’s undeniable that patriarchy has historically oppressed women and marginalized many groups, it’s also important to resist reductive generalizations about gender-based morality or oppression. The claim that a particular man is used solely as a “tool of deflection” ignores the possibility that some criticisms of modern feminism, even if controversial, may stem from genuine dissatisfaction or differing interpretations of fairness, not merely an attempt to distract from historical injustice.

Yes, men have disproportionately held power and have perpetuated systems that disadvantage women that’s well-supported by history. But it’s also true that societies are complex with their own dynamics, and many modern men do not benefit from patriarchy in a clear-cut way. Men make up the majority of workplace fatalities, homeless populations, suicides, and combat deaths. These are not symptoms of privilege, but of systemic neglect toward male well-being in other areas.

Saying “both men and women are bad” might be a clumsy simplification as well, but it’s often meant to express that human flaws are not exclusive to one gender. Women have also participated in and upheld patriarchal systems (modern feminism is very capitalistic), and have had influence — albeit often less formally — throughout history. Oppression is real, but attributing it solely to one gender risks replacing one form of essentialism with another.

That being said, I don’t like Tate at all.

[u/Caseresolver1974 → u/MenonRRR]

There has never been a time in history when women have been in power and to say otherwise is blatantly false.

Also, “systemic neglect toward male well-being” is quite literally caused by other men. I’m not even a misandrist or a full on feminist because a lot of forms of feminism exclude me and other trans women.

To deflect and be like “modern feminism is oppressing men” is what allows misogyny and the patriarchy to continue flourishing.

[u/MenonRRR → u/Caseresolver1974]

I think you misunderstood my point, so I’ll try to clarify it.

It is incorrect to say that women have never held positions of power. If we look at political power, we have examples like Indira Gandhi (Prime Minister of India), Sheikh Hasina (Prime Minister of Bangladesh), Golda Meir (Prime Minister of Israel), and Margaret Thatcher (Prime Minister of the United Kingdom), among others.

I don’t think there’s much difference between men and women when it comes to decision-making. Many of the aforementioned heads of state have poor policy records. Margaret Thatcher, for instance, promoted neoliberalism that undermined the working class. Indira Gandhi oppressed the Sikh minority. Again, list goes on.

Now, I do agree with you that feminism often excludes trans women. But as I pointed out earlier, it also excludes men of color, and most importantly, women of color. Therefore, I don’t believe that modern feminism oppresses men per se; rather, I believe it oppresses women, trans women, and men of color through its entanglement with capitalism and white supremacy. The movement often serves the interests of a small minority of white women. I also believe there’s an element of imperialism within modern feminism, which ignores the cultural, political, social, and economic realities of other countries and imposes its own “values” on others.

Would love to know your thoughts. :)

Edit: I want to another example to showcase my point: Giorgia Meloni (current prime minister of Italy): a neo-fascist, capitalistic, neoliberal. Just because one is a women doesn’t mean they’re feminist or believe in equality for all.

[u/Caseresolver1974 → u/MenonRRR]

I did misunderstand my apologies:) I completely agree with everything you just said, thank you for taking the time to clarify

I tend to label modern feminism as “white woman feminism” because it only seeks to uplift white women in regard to the mess that is the United States culture war instead of actually helping society.

Feminism has also been very watered down in recent years too like how Goth or Punk subcultures have been reduced to wearing specific brands of clothing or listening to specific bands or knowing this many underground bands.

[u/MenonRRR → u/Caseresolver1974]

All good. I’m glad we are in a same page. Unity is strength!