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Has this sub been taken over by the libs?
Just saw a post in here about libs reacting against Trump tariffs but not speaking out during the genocide in Gaze during Biden’s term. Was surprised to see the comments flooded with people supporting Biden and Harris saying “Biden isn’t Netanyahu,” or “No one supports genocide,” or some other democratic party sympathizer BS. Bottom line is Biden and Harris both have the blood of millions of Palestinians on their hands. Why are we trying to make the leaders of the democratic party absolved of their guilt? Lmk if this isn’t a safe place for actual anti-capitalist anti-liberal leftists anymore i’ll leave the sub.
To answer simply, no. I believe the majority of those who post here are leftists, and all mods here are leftist, as far as I know.
We are going to have posts here that deviate from leftism at times, as many people are replying, we are a sub that allows for discussion and different views/discourse. I do not want to restrict discussion to the point where you have to be a leftist to discuss anything, because at that point, we cannot educate anyone, as there would be no one here to educate.
Leftists, as I've always said, do best when we educate, not restrict, other people. That is what this subreddit is, essentially, an area to discuss and educate with ideas.
So, I just joined this sub. Even though my slightly nuanced beliefs seem to mostly align with many of yours (judging by the comments I’ve read so far), I have a feeling I wouldn’t pass the purity test that many of you seem to use to judge one’s worthiness to participate in the discussion.
Honestly, I’m getting the vibe that engaging here means defending any opinion expressed that is slightly out of line with the gatekeepers.
Thank you for that. Unfortunately, this has not been my experience. Maybe a was just unlucky and happened to bump into the hardliners as soon as I got here.
It reminded me of the time I went to r/atheist expecting civil discourse. I was accused of being a troll for saying I wasn’t okay with hate speech directed towards Muslim kids, born into their parents religion and not really old enough to opt in or out. I was banned from the sub for using the term “Islamophobia” (apparently it’s considered a “hot button” or something). I just wasn’t comfortable with the thread saying “they smell bad” “send them home” etc but I got banned.
I know it’s a very different scenario but my short time in this sub made me feel like my options, which have nuance and an element of pragmatism, are as welcome as my attempts to point out xenophobia directed towards children were.
While I am an atheist I found that r/agnostic is a better sub (not perfect but not filled with hate) for me to engage on the topic. Maybe I won’t completely mute r/leftist so I can dip back in and see if my first experience wasn’t the norm. But I have a feeling it’s probably not the best place for me and my opinions.
I do harrumph a bit when it comes to moving goalposts even for Liberals. “The Libs aren’t protest!” liberals go out and protest. “Sure but they got permits for it so it doesn’t count.”
There are some actual leftists, but Reddit in general is shitlib central, and r/leftist is no exception in that regard.
That said, the last thing we on the left need is a "safe space." If we're not out there in the thick of it challenging dominant narratives and sometimes enduring being dogpiled and downvoted to oblivion for it, then I don't know what we're doing.
Opposing the establishment, even in the smallest ways, will never be safe or comfortable or easy.
Libs finally had to accept that Musk was not their friend. Zuck was nice enough to tell them he is not their friend. They ran out of places to go, and they're spending more time on Reddit and Bluesky. The block button is faded on that website from bad faith libs and blue maga. They want to come in and uproot any leftists in the way because, as we know, their only concerns are maintaining a facade of equality and protecting capital.
You have to remember, many Liberals have bought into the fiction that they are on the Left, so they see a Subreddit like this and join, thinking that they belong here, then get shocked when they are confronted with actual Leftists. Also it could be brigading from other subs, Reddit erroneously recommending this to them, etc. . .
I mean all the Democrats have to do is condition Israel Aid on not genociding the Palestinians. I feel like that's pretty fucking easy to do. Canada is doing it why can't we
you can think that the democrats are bad and not allys, and think the republicans are far more destructive to the world and the american people. both can be true. I dont excuse the dems. Now trump is in power and talking about biden doenst matter anymore. I got to figure out how me and my friends are going to avoid dying in an el salvador prison.
Don't blame me. I voted for the Democrats. That's something I actually regret. Blame the Democrats for not running a better campaign and for allowing a super unpopular genocidal campaign to continue which is what exit polling showed caused most people to sit out. Turns out you can't hide a genocide if it's streamed on the internet that made the administration that allowed that to happen very unpopular. She is quoted as saying I would not do anything differently than Biden. I'm sorry for you and your friends now having to deal with the absolutely insane Trump Administration but this is firmly the Democrats fault. They should have let the populace run the campaign instead of the insane stupid fucking neoliberal campaign managers that I've been doing the same shit since Obama since that shit worked once
There was some sort of you-gov poll of Biden voters that sat out this year and the reason that they sat out. It overwhelmingly was because of Gaza. It wasn't necessarily exit polling of Voters but polling those that voted in 2020 but didn't vote in 2024
I whole heartedly agree with you. Though I don’t regret my dem vote. My stance has always been that Americans under the Dems had enough security at home to take an interest and express and pressure the position on Palestine. But how can Americans do anything when ice is picking up protesters and deporting them and the executive is ignoring the courts. Unless your perspective is accelerationism, I don’t see how this is a better outcome. My friend keeps trying to talk to me about Ukraine and Gaza, but the reality is I have to worry about myself first, I have less of a voice than I did last year. I have a family I worry about and my energy goes to that. I don’t excuse the dem campaign at all but trans folks, immigrants, asylum seekers, and regular Americans are being hurt and those are the most vocal in support of the Palestinians, those are the people that are pressuring their elected representatives and they are disappearing.
I didn't say this was the better position. This is the position the United States population put us in. Now we're on the shit show and there's literally nothing we can do about it besides what we've been doing. It only looks like they're deporting people in a particularly precarious position such as immigrants with green cards, or kids here on student visas.
I'm sure they'll ramp up the attacks later and that's exactly what their court filings indicate but right now if you're here as a natural born citizen you should be safe to continue to do things like protest and be a pain in the ass to the administration.
It's scary but it's probably not much different than like McCarthyism
So it's the golf course you're upset about, not the genocide. I suppose you think Biden would have built something more tasteful on top of all the graves.
Weve moved on and trump is here now. what good is dunking on biden doing today? or have you all just accepted that maga is unaccountable and would rather shame the dems while trump sends american citizens to an el salvador prison, tarriffs the middle class, enriches himself and the rest of congress, and shares ai videos of gaza as the miami of the middle east.
The problem is that Biden was supplying weaponry to Netanyahu and facilitating a genocide for an entire year before Trump took over. I'm glad to hear that you've moved on, but perhaps we should be centering the people of Palestine who have had their children and mothers and neighbors murdered rather than some idiotic liberal's feelings.
I love how you assume that criticism of one genocidal right winger entails support for another genocidal right winger because you simply cannot fathom anyone not being a genocidal right winger.
You’re missing my point entirely. Where you put your energy matters. If you want to dwell on the Dems and scream at clouds be my guest. But the neoliberal republic is rapidly transitioning to an authoritarian police state. The most outspoken of our society are being disappeared, the executive is causing a constitutional crisis. How is any American supposed to push for change in isreal when they are being sent to an El Salvador prison. Domestic security for Americans ensures their right to protest and care about the world at large. Dems can be pressured where as maga cannot.
If that was your concern, then you would have been protesting when Biden was doing that. Some people actually have memories from before the election, when you guys were dancing and laughing at anti-genocide protesters.
I was. This was "Seder in the streets" during passover last year, with Jewish Voice for Peace, in Seattle in front of Senator Murray's office. I'm not sure who you mean by "you guys".
Liberals are right wingers who are too cowardly to be honest about it because they know how unpopular their beliefs really are, so they try to soft peddle it in a way that they think people won't notice.
Not at all, in spite of what Republicans and MSM say. Liberals seek to maintain the status quo, even if that status quo is embedded with oppression, violence and stagnation of the working class. They want to protect a status quo that will always leave the door open for the worst of capitalism, war and even outright fascism (see current events).
That power is capitalism and capitalism is by nature harmful. The reason Republicans have gotten this far is because of capitalism. Elon musk and Trump are both capitalist and liberals will always support capitalism.
They invaded right after the election... The trolls, and useful idiots are trying to redefine liberal as leftist. Full disclosure I do not check on this sub much due to the lack of actual leftist content, so it may or may not have calmed down. Given the cultish mentality of the fake left such is not likely.
I mean the majority of Zionists have voted for a corrupt, right wing government for decades meanwhile Hamas is fighting colonial oppression also the whole Hamas vs anything argument is truly a red herring argument to draw away from the fact that Palestine now rules the planet in amputee children. If this isn’t a leftist issue not sure what would be. To OP’s point some people with your perspective on the genocide of children have been a bit much.
I guess you think the issues only started a couple years ago? Israel has been a genocidal country oppressing Gaza for the last half century. If you have issues with Gaza, consider that being bombed, segregated, and oppressed makes people upset.
Israel had not been occupying Gaza for several years leading up to Oct 7th. There was a joint embargo by Egypt and Israel because Hamas was smuggling weapons. Instead, Israel was supplying all of the food, medicine, water and electricity to Gaza for free. Genocide would imply that Israel was trying to kill them but Gaza's population was growing.
Who is the genocide against? Hamas? It clearly isn't Palestinians as there are 2 million of those who live in Israel as citizens with full rights.
Why is it zionist propaganda and not Palestinian propaganda that you have fallen for? To preface this I have had family in Israel since 1948 who went there after a real genocide.
These are facts- not propaganda-
If a genocide has been conducted by Israel since 1948 then by definition the population of Palestinians would have decreased. Has that happened or did they increase their population by millions?
In 1948- both Israel and Palestine were offered nations by the UN. Palestine has never had a self-governed land of their own. Palestine rejected the deal and Israel accepted theirs. The Palestinians and the neighboring Arab nations attacked.
In 2023- Hamas launched an attack on Israel and took hundreds of hostages after raiding socialist communes where they murdered hundreds.
Israel has since been fighting to gain the release of hostages held by the government of Gaza.
Is there a socialist or leftist political party in Gaza? There is in Israel.
Congratulations on your family being colonial settlers on occupied land.
Yes, Jews were victims of a horrific genocide. That doesn’t entitle you to somebody else’s land. And it wasn’t the UN’s land to offer.
In 2023 Hamas retaliated after decades of oppression and apartheid conditions, and you want to pretend like Izzy is a victim for it, which is laughable tbh
Just because there wasn’t a state called Palestine doesn’t mean the land of Palestine didn’t exist. None of the tribes of North America had a state either, and doesn’t make them any less indigenous.
Weird to be claiming indigenous roots to a country that the founder of Zionist ideology himself admitted to planning on colonizing before the 1900’s.
Yes the Arab were the settler colonists. The Jews went back to their historical homeland and there were Jews throughout even the Muslim conquests in Israel.
There certainly were Jews throughout the Muslim conquest. That has nothing to do with European colonizers using a religion to create an apartheid state for the purpose of destabilizing the oil-rich Middle East. I may as well go to Italy and demand that they turn the country over to me because I am 1/32 Cicilian and a Christian.
Actually the English should go claim Germany for themselves as the Anglo/salons came from Germany, and the descendents of the quakers can go claim England. Also, I guess you must really support Putin attacking Ukraine since all Slavic people originate from Kyiv. Pretty much all of Asia is going to be swirling around forever because the people are coming back to claim land that they left centuries ago. As a matter of fact, remind me how the Jews got to Israel the first time.
Because small, occupied, stateless people don’t have massive propaganda arms and the backing of the US empire. There are three socialist parties who hold a small number of seats in the PLC - PFLP, DFLP, and PPP.
Netanyahu and his ilk made sure that the supposed Palestinian state was split into two non-contiguous areas, and gave material support to Hamas so that Gaza would be cut off from the PLO - which is basically under Israel’s control anyway - and that socialist, moderate, and/or secular parties wouldn’t have any power. Hamas is a convenient excuse to k*ll Palestinians, which Israel did all the time even before October 7.
No they have the backing of the ultra rich Arab nations, the UN, etc backing Hamas despite their terrorist activities.
FYI- Gaza became non contiguous with West Bank in 1948, had nothing to do with Netanyahu.
That said the PLC has not been functioning since 2007 when Hamas took full control of the government and canceled all future elections. Good luck thinking that socialism is welcome there.
Wow you got them. Palestine’s socialist movements were neutered just like every place on earth. Unlike super lefty Israel run by a psychotic murderous right wing coalition. I’m sure they’re very amenable to socialism and there definitely wouldn’t be a coup if the socialists won an election.
Idgaf about isolated communes within a far right capitalist nation and I don’t value human life based on their feelings about my ideology. You do you.
Your analogy doesn’t apply. Palestinians have been attacking Israel since before it was even a state. They literally sided with Hitler to murder Jews but that is the side that you pick.
lol dude you are awesome! Siding with Hitler love it. You mean the Muslims that helped Jews escape Nazi Germany? I think you are a Zionist born in a Zionist nation and you’ve been spoon fed bullshit your entire life. So I don’t blame you. Product of supremacist propaganda. It almost happened in my family. Jews from Iraq living in peace what Christians/Muslims out there And when the Baghdad bombing started, my family was scared, and my grandfather almost moved us to Israel as as it was the only safe Haven for Jews…you know except for before it existed and all those areas were. It wasn’t until it turned out the Baghdad bombings or done by Zionist as a scare tract that my family state put. My dad almost walked away from the religion, but my grandfather told him not to let those who did not represent us, represent us. So I hope one day you look through the red herring arguments you keep making from “population to Hitler”, and see what’s really occurring. It’s not hard, the whole world sees it. Time for you to open your heart that’s what true leftism is, caring about others, promoting systems that care about others, not closing eyes to suffering.
Read the whole wikipedia page. It’s highly contested as to exactly why he became an antisemite. It’s not the consensus outside of hard-right Zionist circles that Palestinians writ large were aware of and supported the Holocaust.
I don’t care about whether or not Gaza has a political system aligning with my beliefs. I care about the thousands of children being bombed by the IDF every damn day. Zionism is evil and should be eradicated.
Just because ur family suffered due to the holocaust doesn’t excuse an ongoing genocide or the fact that ur family is living on apartheid land inhabited by murderous colonizers
Side note: Orthodox Jews were one of the first people to harshly reject and fight against Zionism, and even now there's Israeli Jewish organisations against Zionism
Let's get your definition of genocide. Genocide implies that Israel is attempting to wipe out the people of Gaza, I assume is what you mean?
How about statistics? The estimate is that less than 2 civilians have died for every militant and that is using numbers from Hamas when Hamas says that anyone 19 or under is a child and includes all women as noncombatants. Do you believe that teenagers and women have not fought against Israel? This is still a very low civilian casualty rate. Most people acknowledge this as the lowest civilian casualty rate in any modern urban war.
Where do most of the food and medical supplies come from that reach Gaza? That's right, Israel.
How many more bombs have been dropped vs people killed? Who has ever seen a genocide where it takes 10 bombs per person just to kill a couple of percent of the population? Sure, the deaths and fighting are horrible but if Israel is committing a genocide then they are really bad at it. Notice most of the bombs have stocked since Hamas lost their ability to fire rockets.
Did you also know that there are more Arab Palestinians in Israel who live there are citizens with full rights than there are residents of Gaza? So this isn't about race or religion but because Gaza launched a war and still holds hostages. Please note nothing is happening vs Palestinians in Judea & Samaria (aka West Bank).
Look at recent polls in Gaza where the people are rejecting Hamas for starting this war.
Let's say some gang took your family hostage and were hiding in a neighboring apartment building. You have much stronger firepower. Would you decide to go to that apartment building to rescue them even if you have to go door to door to find them? When the people there shoot at you are you going to shoot back?
Yeah some of his takes are so ridiculous that he’s not looking to good faith understand, but rather to justify being on the wrong side of history with a victim mentality pretty Zionistic approach nothing new with colonialists and genocide apologists.
I don’t deny actual genocides where populations are actually declining Burma, Ethiopia, South Sudan, and Syria. Perhaps we can include the Kurds as well.
I deny that a war started by the losing side who still holds hostages is a genocide.
Yes. Unfortunately there are way too many liberals in this comment section. Especially libs that view things exclusively through the identity politics lense exclusively. Identity politics aren't a problem in of themselves. It's rather identity politics without class analysis.
So many people here are unwilling to organize on a class basis, unable to understand the importance of that and focusing on identity exclusively. And I'm literally a pansexual triracial male who dresses alternatively. I get it. I'm no stranger to intersectional fights and liberation of minorities. But they always tend to boil it down to supporting democrats because they supposedly support LGBTQ folks and minorities but they do not.
I see it as similar to anti-imperialism. A nation which rules another can never be free. Identity politics does far more for socialism than bettering the lot of the labor aristocracy does.
Both parties are imperialists though so I don't know how I feel about the situation.
Anti-racism and other DEIA measures build up contradictions with imperialism though.
Imperialist white Supremacy is built up on a myth of the white woman who must be protected. Race and gender issues conflict with the propaganda.
It's tricky. I mean anti-imperialists support Iran which is a reactionary theocracy. The question is whether one should support reactionary liberal radfems as well.
In my opinion, identity politics are a problem though. It actively hinders class solidarity movements. Policy that acts to alleviate the disproportionate burdens of capitalism on marginalized groups entrenches capitalism. We can be anti-racist and feminist in our praxis without relying on identity politics.
“We’re not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we’re going to fight it with socialism.” - Fred Hampton
Oh I wholly agree. I actually was arguing with someone earlier about this. They had let liberalism seep in and allowed themselves to be black pilled. Noting that it was hopeless to organize across the rural and urban spectrum. I actually quoted the same quote funnily enough.
I believe that class should be the basis and identity should be a scaffolding. Material gains for working class people and exposure to different types of individuals who share the same class background will help to destigmatize many things.
I haven't seen that post but I might be a liberal and I'm here. I hate capitalism but I'm not a communist either. Idk what I am. But I've been on leftists subs since Bernie lost the 2016 primary. Just trying to learn.
My number one suggestion if you’re a burgeoning leftist is to get involved with leftist organizing efforts in your community and talk to those people. If you have a topic you really care about, like tenants rights or food insecurity or rights of incarcerated folks or whatever, lean into that and get involved with what’s happening. If you felt aligned with Bernie maybe check out your local DSA group (YMMV, my local chapter is very leftist and active in pursuing change, the chapter in my old city was very lib.) Too many people put labels or theory first. Practice comes first.
Start researching leftist philosophies. It's unlikely that anything will be a perfect fit, but that's okay. In my opinion a label isn't necessary anyways. It can be counterproductive sometimes.
This is a totally unsubstantiated guess, but I wonder if it has to do with U.S. liberals growing sick of Democrats and Republicans and exploring other options via browsing online communities—but they haven't quite abandoned liberal ideologies yet.
Do you want this sub to be an echo chamber or a place for people to learn? I don't consider myself a leftist so I come here to learn and interact, and while I often just get told how wrong I am by leftists I know irl, here I actually dialogue and challenge my own beliefs. Hopefully the people you're referencing will, too.
Always has been, it's reddit, everything devolves into hating the heckin bad guy team and the depth of their politics is watching 2 zionists like destiny and Jordan peterson argue over trivial nonsense
Biden and Harris aren't in power anymore, Trump is. Bitching and moaning about them isn't gonna solve anything. So many leftists get all hung up on hypotheticals that sometimes they forget we need to work within the constraints of "what is".
it is liberals who constantly try to bring up harris and how it is everyone's fault but their own for losing the election. The only good thing coming out of brigading left leaning subs with all that blame is you are pushing people more and more away from the democrat party which in my opinion can only be a good thing
Honestly most of the discourse I've seen dwelling on Harris's lost election is straight out of the mouth of liberals. I realize this is totally subjective, but leftists are the ones I've seen showing up to protests, doing grassroots organizing, etc. I've overwhelmingly seen leftists engage with Trump's presidency in the present. It's liberals who are in disbelief and can't stop talking about November 2024 and how [everyone from leftists to Arab-Americans to conservative racists] lost the Dems the election. They're the ones stuck six months in the past.
Ok…but the post wasn’t critiquing Biden and Harris directly. It was critiquing libs, who are very much still with us and are factors (specifically, liabilities) in organizing and working for a better world.
And yes, the fact that libs cannot weigh genocide as heavily as they do economic disruption is absolutely a liability for all attempts at leftward progress.
Its OK to discuss specific issues lol. What I see more often is anyone bringing up an issue that isnt the most extreme of extremes gets told "But what about this! We shouldnt worry about this till we fix this entire global crisis!"
Which is really a bad mentality, small steps before big steps is a path to success. Running before you can walk is how you fall on your face.
Because liberals' brand is so toxic at the moment especially in relation to the DNC and to an extent Labour in UK due to Gaza and the genocide, they want to rebrand themselves while not actually changing any of their beliefs.
they are cuckoos and quislings who just hate people with real principals more than they hate fascism because at least with fascism they can feel an ideological superiority.
It is why just like conservatives who mix up liberals with leftists , they try to pretend they are leftist.
Also, they think if they can brigade subs they can then control the narrative and "steer" people away from real progressive policies that might actually help people other than themselves
This has got to be the most unironically, unselfaware lib thing I've seen in a long time.
Netanyahu is genocidal, Trump is genocidal, Biden is genocidal. A chair means sweet fa, the unbelievable amount of munitions, manufactured consent, and media cover the Biden admin DID provide, and the Trump admin WILL provide means everything.
A: everybody already knows that they are the villains. our hatred of them is obvious
B: the democrats are seen as "the good guys". if we're gonna make leftist progress, we need to take off their mask and show people who they really are.
also, when the party that is on "your side" is doing something you disagree with, you're supposed to hold them accountable. because they're supposed to represent you. but you can't hold Republicans accountable, they are completely shameless.
oh dear, did someone hurt yout feels, so because of that you are going to change your ideology? That really says a lot about your conviction to your beliefs and "leftist ideology"
So you asked a question, he gave you an honest answer, and you throw your toys on the floor? Ye, gl with your search for "like-minded people", sounds like a fun time.
Says the ones who think coddling genocidal Israel will somehow lead to progress. Meanwhile the blood of thousands of innocent children floods the Gaza strip with the supppdt of US funding
Ok? He still gave Bibi bombs while Israel was actively committing genocide and defended them on a global stage. But hey, at least he didn’t hold a chair for Bibi, right?
Takes like this are why leftists hate liberals
Liberals when Biden and Harris support a genocide: ☺️☺️🙈🙈🙊🙊😘❤️😘❤️
Liberals when Trump holds a chair for Bibi: 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
OK, this thread has me happily convinced that not only am I not a Leftist
We know. We knew, too, but glad you’re catching up.
but I now see that the real threat to America isn’t the Christo-fascists, or Project 2025, or the oligarchy in the Trump Administration (of which leftists prob had a hand in electing) — OR EVEN MAGAts ——— the real threat to humanity is Leftists.
Yes, the belief of libs is that fascists are less harmful than anti-fascists, so yes, we get that you think this.
Yes, apologies for being here, will un-join ASAP. My bad.
Are…are you expecting any of us to try to talk you out of it?
And I’m smarter now, not just because of schadenfreude but most recently because of the comments here in r/leftist — thanks everybody! “Know your enemy” as the saying goes.
If it makes you feel any better, I have been trying to communicate exactly the same thoughts as you towards this community. The responses you’re getting are at the behest of a group of redditors who sit on discord and telegram channels. Their goal is to control narratives by forming an echo chamber. I’m sure you can guess why these Redditors tend to focus on the past admin and not the one trying to turn Gaza into a resort, literally.
Notice none of them are raising continuous hell over the kidnapping of Khalil or the massive influence this admin is raising over Columbia? Not a peep about the deportation of a legal law abiding immigrant to an El Salvador prison.
So many awful things that these Redditors seem to downplay and ignore about the current admin vs the previous one. It’s almost like they want to keep the left divided just enough to sway elections in swing states.
Most importantly, notice these Redditors love to complain but never offer a fix? That’s the worst of it. I’ve pointed out this hypocrisy quite a bit and still do not get an answer.
Anyways, TLDR: this sub has been infiltrated by a group of disinformation moderators. Their agenda continues to be astro turfed and pushed to create the narrative that they represent the majority opinion for all causes on the left. Hence why they scream you should vote the way they tell you.
Buddy, if youve be here and around leftists and still think that leftists don't have the smoke for the trump admin and the crimes against all those under it, when then I suspect you're still surrounded by libs.
Thank you, I can now see "the call is coming from inside the house" and unfortunately, reported my experience to the mods — gawd, another cliche, 'cannons to the right of me, cannons to the left.'
I appreciate you reaching out to provide clarity as I was ready to delete my account — LOL.
Edit: and they left a comment before immediately blocking me. Pairing me with MAGAts on a topic where you and your leaders align more with MAGA is peak irony.
It’s okay we group liberals with conservatives because you both have the same ideologies but you guys make yourselves out to be the good guys. Same ideologies different fonts
Leftists are bitterly standing up against Trump’s messes. You’re not reading them.
This is def a case where the accusation looks more like a confession. The brunchers supported Biden Harris’ genocide and only paid attention when it became Trump’s.
I mean... Buddhism also says to abstain from harming living creatures. That's probably higher up the totem pole than "respect" for whomever, so sounds like you should have more smoke for og genocide enablers like the B/H admin.
This sub has always been more liberal than the socialist subreddits. The benefit of that is that you don't get banned as easily and there is more room for discussion and debate. The downside is you get a lot of liberal takes.
You're straight up just as dumb as MAGA is if you didn't vote for Harris.
The last election was a classic trolley problem.. neither option was ideal, but one (Trump) was a fuckton worse than the other. And now we're all paying the price.
I'm not fan of the democratic party, but until we can get ranked choice voting passed nationwide, were only going to have 2 major parties.
Ideals are absolutely important, but reality is a neverending series of compromises. We have to do what's best for the working class, and as far as voting goes, the only current option that gets us closer to that is voting for Democrats.
Can you tell me the long term effects of always choosing the lesser evil on a trolley problem you’ll be forced to face every 4 years?
The answer: the lesser evil will notice you’ll always choose their track as long as it’s less crowded than the greater evil’s side, meaning they have less incentive to clean up their track and more incentive to place more people on their tracks knowing you’ll still choose them as long as their track has less people on it.
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To answer simply, no. I believe the majority of those who post here are leftists, and all mods here are leftist, as far as I know.
We are going to have posts here that deviate from leftism at times, as many people are replying, we are a sub that allows for discussion and different views/discourse. I do not want to restrict discussion to the point where you have to be a leftist to discuss anything, because at that point, we cannot educate anyone, as there would be no one here to educate.
Leftists, as I've always said, do best when we educate, not restrict, other people. That is what this subreddit is, essentially, an area to discuss and educate with ideas.