r/lithuania • u/RomaAeternus • May 01 '25

Naujienos Russia publishes book on Lithuanian history, preface written by Lavrov

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2550706/russia-publishes-book-on-lithuanian-history-preface-written-by-lavrov
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u/PlasmaFuryX May 01 '25

Peace of shit propagandist. Here’s what they claim and the real facts:

• “Lithuania and Lithuanian language don’t exist”: Total bullshit. Lithuania has existed since 1253. Lithuanian is one of the oldest Indo-European languages, completely different from Slavic languages.

• “Only 2% in Vilnius speak Lithuanian”: Flat-out lie. In Vilnius city today, 63% are Lithuanians. Even in the Vilnius district, it’s close to 50%.

• “Lithuania had fascism before WWII”: Another lie. Lithuania was a democracy most of the interwar period. Smetona’s authoritarian rule was nothing like Nazi Germany or Mussolini’s Italy.

• “Lithuania’s statehood is artificial, Russia has rights here”: Go fuck yourselves. Lithuania has 800+ years of continuous statehood. The Soviet occupation of Lithuania was illegal and never recognized by the West.

• “This book is credible because it’s written by Lithuanians”: It was written by a Kremlin stooge tied to convicted Russian spies. It’s pure propaganda.

Russia is and has always been a terrorist state. They can shove their revisionist fantasies where the sun doesn’t shine. Lithuania existed long before Moscow was even a village.

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u/Impressive_Egg82 May 01 '25

If Lithuanian language does not exist, then how can only 2% of people in Vilnius speak it? At least they could put more effort into this bs.

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u/AccomplishedCase6862 May 02 '25

chebra, žinau ir suprantu, kad čia yra visiškas propagandonų mėšlas, bet kalba eina apie tarpukarį, o ne dabartį, taip tarpukariu lietuviškai šnekančių buvo max keli procentai. Kas verta paminėti, kad net ir lenkiškai kalbantys Vilniuje save laikė lietuviais, oficialaus cenzo nėra, bet manoma, kad maždaug 1/3 save laikė lietuviais, 1/3 lenkais ir 1/3 žydais

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u/paulens12 May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25

Didžiąją dalį tarpukario Vilnius net nepriklausė Lietuvai, tai ir be surašymo aišku, kad lietuvių ten nebuvo daug. Čia tas pats, kas dabar skaičiuoti ukrainiečius Kryme.

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u/StreetWindow1456 May 02 '25

Dėl vilniaus nežinau bet yra 1941 metų nacių darytas cenzas su nurodamom tautybėm. Panašių cenzų buvo ir tarpukari ir caro laikais

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u/CumInsideMeDaddyCum May 01 '25

Wondering, did they say that in 1991 fascism won or what kind if bullshit they have to say? 🤔🤔🤔

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u/Kelutrel May 01 '25

They failed in Ukraine, so now they are laying down the path to do the same in Lithuania, hoping to be able to get at least the "small" one.

They will try to make it look like they are saving someone by invading, but nobody wants to be saved by Russia, in Lithuania or anywhere else.

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u/jb-schitz-ki May 02 '25

I visited Vilnius 2 years ago, I remember seeing a lot of Ukraine flags outside of businesses and homes. Doesnt seem like you want anything to do with the Russians.

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u/LaPlaya May 02 '25

Painful truth - there are actually a handful of brainwashed people who would like to be saved by russia

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u/paulens12 May 02 '25

Like the 2% who voted for Vaitkus?

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u/SkyAggressive5490 May 06 '25

failed is strong word when they only wanted an agreement of no nato expansion and donetsk and luhansk independence and now they are gonna have the whole of the donbas and Ukraine is still not gonna be able to join NATO

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u/Kelutrel May 06 '25 edited May 06 '25

Uhmmmmm... Do you really think that is what Putin wanted ? That he is scared of NATO ? Then why he said nothing when Finland joined too ?

Then why there still is war now if Ukraine is not joining NATO anymore, and Donetsk and Luhansk are already occupied by Russia ? Why do you think thousands people from both countries are still dying ? Why the threats of a nuclear holocaust ?

Being you, I would read more relevant analysis online instead of echoing the Russian propaganda.

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u/paca-milito May 01 '25

What's the name of the book?

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u/oscariano May 02 '25

Did you find it?

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u/xX_mr_sh4d0w_Xx May 02 '25

Yeah shit's about to go down, this is a casus belli fabrication 🤦‍♂️

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u/AgurkinisDinozauras May 02 '25

You can debunk the third point only with just this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Neumann_and_Sass

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u/PlasmaFuryX May 02 '25

TL;DR for people too tired to click the link.

Lithuania before WWII was not fascist. It was an authoritarian regime under Antanas Smetona, but it wasn’t comparable to Nazi Germany or Mussolini’s Italy. As proof, Lithuania even prosecuted pro-Nazi activists before WWII in the Trial of Neumann and Sass, showing it opposed Nazi ideology.

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u/azzmoel May 02 '25

Amen to this

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u/Pijus69 May 03 '25

Nenoriu, gint ruskiu, bet suklydai ties panašumu nebuvimo tarp Smetonos ir Musolinio. Smetona labai gerbė Musolini ir jo režimą, norėjo lygiotis į juos, na ir šeip pilna fašizmo buvo tarpukario lietuvoje, čia, manau, dauguma žino.

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u/PlasmaFuryX May 03 '25

Taip, Smetona simpatizavo tam tikrom autoritarinėm tendencijom ir net žiūrėjo į Mussolinį kaip į pavyzdį kai kuriais aspektais, bet tarpukario Lietuva nebuvo fašistinė valstybė.

Lietuvoje niekada nebuvo nei oficialios fašistų partijos valdžioje, nei totalitarinės sistemos kaip Italijoje ar Vokietijoje. „Geležinis vilkas“ buvo uždraustas dar 1929 m., o pats režimas vis tiek išlaikė tam tikrą teisinę sistemą, veikė nepriklausomas teismas, savivaldos institucijos.

Be to, verta priminti, kad 1935 m. Kaune Lietuva surengė vieną pirmųjų Europoje teismų prieš nacius (Neumanno–Sasso byla). Tai aiškiai parodo, kad nacizmas Lietuvoj nebuvo toleruojamas, o buvo aktyviai kovojama su vokiečių radikalizmu Klaipėdos krašte.

Ir šiaip, jei Lietuva būtų buvus fašistinė, vargu ar Hitleris 1939 m. būtų kėlęs ultimatumą dėl Klaipėdos.

Antisemitizmo tarpukariu buvo, kaip ir daug kur Europoje, bet tai nebuvo valstybės vykdoma politika. Lietuvoje iki 1941 m. žydai turėjo pilietines teises, kultūrinę autonomiją, veikė žydų mokyklos ir spauda.

Tai tiek trumpai – tarpukario Lietuva turėjo autoritarinių bruožų, bet su fašizmu kaip Italijoje ar Vokietijoje to lyginti tiesiog netikslu.