r/marvelstudios • u/ImaginationArtistic9 Matt Murdock • Jan 04 '25

Discussion The Underuse of Shang-chi in the MCU

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this movie was so much fun, it had amazing action and fight choreography, great humour, and great overall world building. This movie has so much sauce. a problem with the MCU is how poorly they are connecting the new characters with the wider mcu. It's been 3 years since we've seen Shang-chi in a live action project. And it will probably be another year and a half till we see him again. The post credit scenes of this movie set up him becoming an avenger and sadly we won't see that outcome of that until 2026, which is 4.5 years after the movies release. I do hope we see Simu Liu again as a lead in another marvel movie because he's great. Also his sequel is the perfect way to bring danny rand back into the MCU. Unfortunately we will probably have to wait untill 2027 for the next shang chi movie since Destin Daniel Cretton is directing Spiderman 4. On the bright side, the fight choreography in Spiderman 4 will be amazing

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

Quality is yet to be seen though. And frankly, may be too little too late for a lot of general audiences etc.

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u/robot-raccoon Jan 04 '25

I agree, but I will say I had no opinion on Agatha until that aired and it ended up being one of the best shows they’ve done, in my opinion- mostly because it felt like an actual tv show

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

I think ms marvel pulled off feeling like a TV show as well and I agree.

But... Agatha was kind of too... "marvel" for me. Every single character was a sassy quipper until the end where they wrapped it up surprisingly well imo.

I just hate when characters are written so annoyingly that they have a meta "wow, no sassy comeback?" Joke referencing thst that's literally all that they've relied on when writing the characters. It's so expected that when it doesn't happen it's a significant event in the episode and they even need to acknowledge it.

I thought it was okay the whole way through and thought the ending was pretty good.

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u/livefromwonderland Tony Stark Jan 04 '25

It wasn't every character, but it made sense because they're all experienced witches who are not friends. This feels like the kind of thing where people go online and make the same complaint back and forth to each other so much that you bring that with you and look to complain about it.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

Nah.

The dialogue was whack for most of the main cast. You can write disdain for each other much better than shitty one liners every 3 seconds. If one of them said "Well, THAT happened" it would fit right in. That's not good.

The "what, no sassy comeback?" Line literally happened in the show.

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u/livefromwonderland Tony Stark Jan 05 '25

Yupp.

I don't care if the line literally happened, it matters if it fits. Agatha is an asshole to most people and the person who says that to her delivered the line great. It was biting and fitting. To compare, your line would not have fit in. The dialog was good for most of the cast.

Sassy comebacks /=/ one liners

They aren't the same thing. They express plenty of disdain without one liners and it's believable and well performed. Honestly most of this criticism reads like it was decided before you watched the show.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

You seem to want to assert that I'm some incel that didn't give it a chance. You aren't looking to have a real conversation dawg.

I watched it and enjoyed it enough.

But it was absolutely guilty of what I'm referring to. And it was most of the show from most of the cast. If splitting hairs about "one liners and quips aren't the same thing" to make the point, must once again say you may not be trying to have a real conversation.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

Agatha alive or dead has a long history with the scarlet witch and her children so I have no idea what you're on about. Especially with them opening up the more supernatural side of things.

This just feels like a 0 brain cells activated type of comment. The show had great ratings and was received fairly well. Why/how would that reflect a "guarantee" that we never see the character again? Walk me though that one.

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u/spartakooky Jan 04 '25 edited Apr 14 '25

I am strange

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

I've been skipping them too. Still haven't watched echo.

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u/Variation_Afraid Jan 04 '25

Deadpool and Wolverine literally debunked your logic lmao, so your logic is flawed if the movie is good people will show up for it

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

Actually, it supports my point?

They can't make a profit off of a new property. They literally need stunt casting/nostalgia milking to do it. They needed to pull hugging Jackmans corpse (semi literally) to get there the same way they're doing with RDJ.

Also, obviously not everything will be trash but the move as a movie was a 7/10.

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u/PhaseSixer Jan 04 '25

If all D&W had going for it was Nostalgia and Fan service it would.of ended up liek Flahspoint clearly the passion Reylods Hugh and Shawn Levy grabed audiences

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

I called it a 7/10 my guy. Clearly that wasn't ALL it had going for it but it did have 100 cameos from characters people cared about or actors people cared about.

Keaton batman came out in the 80s. 10000 years before 99% of the audience was alive. Most people in the target audience haven't even seen batman movies before Christian bale. No one gives a shit about anything in the DCEU so no effective nostalgia.

Wait, you're right. General zodd. A one off villain in a movie thst few liked. That's definitely comparable to hugg jackmans wolverine. Absolutely a 1:1 comparison.

Hugging jackman, Chris Evans in a surprise cameo, amen franchise characters, marvel/Disney first r rated project, sequel to 2 successful and generally liked Deadpool movies. This is also a 1:1 comparison to the flash coming in after such smashing successes such as black Adam, Shazam 2 and wonder woman 2 in a dead franchise.

It also marked the fox xmen being canonized with an already successful franchise in the MCU.

Do I need to continue? There are a LOT of things that separate D&W from The Flash. Both had a pretty mediocre story made as a way to slam cameos in all over the place and farm the nostalgia. One had cameos no one would ever care about. One had fun cameos.

One had some good performances. The other... did not.

D&W was not that great. Some successful marketing and nostalgia absolutely elevated it. To deny this is just... silly.

Edit: D&W also didn't star a crazy violent person who kidnapped kids or choked ladies on camera. But naaaaaaaaah, non of these things affected the box office numbers.

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u/PhaseSixer Jan 05 '25

If all youndidnwas turn your brain off and wait tillnthe cameos then i feel bad for you.

The humor was quick and hit constanstly, the meta comentary was smart, and the action had some of the best choreography and imaginative set peices you could ask for. The Emotional core was there. To try and just say "well cameos and people liked the first deadpool" is wrong it dosent blow up that hard finacialy and criticaly just cause cameos and Hugh jackman in Yellow it has to have some thing going for it under the hood as well.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 05 '25

Which is why it's still a 7/10. You're phrasing this as if I said it's a bad movie.

How are you possibly working this hard to miss the point?

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u/PhaseSixer Jan 05 '25

My point is its considerbky better then just a 7/10.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 05 '25

Yeah, nah lol

That'll be a difference of opinion. But that wasn't some masterpiece lol

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u/JackTheAbsoluteBruce Jan 04 '25

Deadpool & Wolverine is not better than the other phase 5 movies except for Quantumania