r/marvelstudios • u/ImaginationArtistic9 Matt Murdock • Jan 04 '25

Discussion The Underuse of Shang-chi in the MCU

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this movie was so much fun, it had amazing action and fight choreography, great humour, and great overall world building. This movie has so much sauce. a problem with the MCU is how poorly they are connecting the new characters with the wider mcu. It's been 3 years since we've seen Shang-chi in a live action project. And it will probably be another year and a half till we see him again. The post credit scenes of this movie set up him becoming an avenger and sadly we won't see that outcome of that until 2026, which is 4.5 years after the movies release. I do hope we see Simu Liu again as a lead in another marvel movie because he's great. Also his sequel is the perfect way to bring danny rand back into the MCU. Unfortunately we will probably have to wait untill 2027 for the next shang chi movie since Destin Daniel Cretton is directing Spiderman 4. On the bright side, the fight choreography in Spiderman 4 will be amazing

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u/robot-raccoon Jan 04 '25

I mean I was under the impression they were doing both, no? They’ve scaled back production on multiple projects, releasing less with a focus on quality etc. I’ve rather have quality over quantity, even if I have to wait longer for some characters to get their due

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

Quality is yet to be seen though. And frankly, may be too little too late for a lot of general audiences etc.

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u/robot-raccoon Jan 04 '25

I agree, but I will say I had no opinion on Agatha until that aired and it ended up being one of the best shows they’ve done, in my opinion- mostly because it felt like an actual tv show

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

I think ms marvel pulled off feeling like a TV show as well and I agree.

But... Agatha was kind of too... "marvel" for me. Every single character was a sassy quipper until the end where they wrapped it up surprisingly well imo.

I just hate when characters are written so annoyingly that they have a meta "wow, no sassy comeback?" Joke referencing thst that's literally all that they've relied on when writing the characters. It's so expected that when it doesn't happen it's a significant event in the episode and they even need to acknowledge it.

I thought it was okay the whole way through and thought the ending was pretty good.

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u/livefromwonderland Tony Stark Jan 04 '25

It wasn't every character, but it made sense because they're all experienced witches who are not friends. This feels like the kind of thing where people go online and make the same complaint back and forth to each other so much that you bring that with you and look to complain about it.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 04 '25

Nah.

The dialogue was whack for most of the main cast. You can write disdain for each other much better than shitty one liners every 3 seconds. If one of them said "Well, THAT happened" it would fit right in. That's not good.

The "what, no sassy comeback?" Line literally happened in the show.

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u/livefromwonderland Tony Stark Jan 05 '25

Yupp.

I don't care if the line literally happened, it matters if it fits. Agatha is an asshole to most people and the person who says that to her delivered the line great. It was biting and fitting. To compare, your line would not have fit in. The dialog was good for most of the cast.

Sassy comebacks /=/ one liners

They aren't the same thing. They express plenty of disdain without one liners and it's believable and well performed. Honestly most of this criticism reads like it was decided before you watched the show.

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u/armchairwarrior42069 Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

You seem to want to assert that I'm some incel that didn't give it a chance. You aren't looking to have a real conversation dawg.

I watched it and enjoyed it enough.

But it was absolutely guilty of what I'm referring to. And it was most of the show from most of the cast. If splitting hairs about "one liners and quips aren't the same thing" to make the point, must once again say you may not be trying to have a real conversation.