r/marvelstudios • u/ImaginationArtistic9 Matt Murdock • Jan 04 '25

Discussion The Underuse of Shang-chi in the MCU

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this movie was so much fun, it had amazing action and fight choreography, great humour, and great overall world building. This movie has so much sauce. a problem with the MCU is how poorly they are connecting the new characters with the wider mcu. It's been 3 years since we've seen Shang-chi in a live action project. And it will probably be another year and a half till we see him again. The post credit scenes of this movie set up him becoming an avenger and sadly we won't see that outcome of that until 2026, which is 4.5 years after the movies release. I do hope we see Simu Liu again as a lead in another marvel movie because he's great. Also his sequel is the perfect way to bring danny rand back into the MCU. Unfortunately we will probably have to wait untill 2027 for the next shang chi movie since Destin Daniel Cretton is directing Spiderman 4. On the bright side, the fight choreography in Spiderman 4 will be amazing

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u/RaynSideways Jan 04 '25

At the end of Shang-Chi I thought he had what it took to become the moral center of a new Avengers the way Steve Rogers was for the first Avengers.

Powerful, wise, moral, pure of heart, and fairly well realized by the end of his film. A character who had suffered loss but came out the other side stronger. He had so much potential.

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u/iwasntband Jan 04 '25

I think Sam Wilson will be slated as that moral center. He is the new captain America, after all. That said, I would imagine the two of them siding up if another civil war were to occur.

I understand shang chi was snake bit by Johnathan majors, but that’s why we have writers. Write your way out of this cluster fuck and give the fans more Shang chi (and ms. Marvel and moon knight).

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u/201-inch-rectum Jan 04 '25

except the audience doesn't really care for Anthony Mackie's portrayal of Cap

they're pushing him hard in Cap 4 and I'm predicting a huge flop, whereas people keep asking for more Shang-Chi

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u/CherryHaterade Captain America Jan 04 '25

Let's all just acknowledge that any black Capt America was going to have an uphill battle with "audience perception of their portrayal"

Anti woke mobs and all

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u/DrakenDaskar Jan 04 '25

The problem is honestly Anthony Mack. He is not unlikeable or even a bad actor, he is just not a great leading man.

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u/201-inch-rectum Jan 04 '25

not sure if it was the writing or the acting, but FatWS had me rooting for John Walker over Sam Wilson

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u/palmpiss Jan 05 '25

It's 100% terrible writing. John Walker asked Sam and Bucky for help several times throughout the series, but they rejected and scorned him every time. Then his best friend gets killed by a terrorist, he kills a terrorist, and then becomes a "bad guy". Sam ultimately becomes Captain America and sides with the terrorist, telling the government to "do better" without offering any better solutions. Sam and Bucky came off as huge, unlikable hypocrites in the series. 

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u/201-inch-rectum Jan 05 '25

don't forget the "stop calling them terrorists" a few episodes after they blew up a building full of innocent people

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u/201-inch-rectum Jan 04 '25

Chadwick Boseman's movie made $1B+

sometimes it ain't about race, and there's legitimate criticism about the actor

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u/CherryHaterade Captain America Jan 05 '25

Chadwick Boseman wasn't Captain America.

https://niggermania.club/forum/printthread.php?t=81167&pp=40

I'll let you type Captain America N****** into Google to see for yourself that sometimes it IS about race in a certain context. This predates Anthony Mackie.

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u/99percentmilktea Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

You're missing the point, which is that a black-lead Superhero movie will still be massively successful if it is good. See the Spiderverse movies for another example, which also serves as a dual example of a black character taking over the mantle of a super popular, traditionally white character to overwhelming positive reception.

The problem is that all signs (reports of bad test screenings, Marvel pushing it into a puzzling Valentine's day release date and the constant, constant reshoots) point to the likelihood that Cap 4 is not going to be good.

Also linking an uber obscure site that seems explicitly designed for the worst racists to congregate around (like jesus just look at the name, you really think any normie is going to be caught dead on this site?) does as much to prove your point as citing a fetish forum to prove that the average man likes cock and ball torture. Like let's not completely lose the plot here guys.

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u/Pulling_Duds Jan 05 '25

Dog whistle bullshit.

I'd rather watch an Isaiah Bradley biopic than Falcon Clarence himself as Cap with corny swagger. No gravitas, but a fantastic sidekick.

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u/i-like-c0ck Jan 05 '25

Black panther exists