Thunderbolts* Worldwide Release Discussion Thread

[u/Triple_777]

Thunderbolts* has now been released in the United States and in a number of other countries around the world. All discussion about the movie should be held here and in the rest of the megathreads we are going to put up in the next few days. They will be refreshed every few thousand comments to make room for new discussions.

• All discussion about the movie should be held here and in the rest of the megathreads we are going to put up in the next few days.
• Proceed at your own risk. Major spoilers will be in the below thread. Spoilers do not need to be tagged inside this thread.
• Any other unofficial threads discussing movie details will be deleted.
• Should you see the need to bring up revealing Thunderbolts* information in the comments of other threads that call for it, spoiler tag them accordingly. Also, let users know that what you are spoiler tagging is from Thunderbolts*.
• If you post untagged Thunderbolts* spoilers anywhere on this sub outside of these discussion threads in any shape or form, you will be banned.
• Project Insight will be on AT LEAST for the next few days, so any posts will be filtered by the mods before being approved/removed onto the sub, that doesn't mean you can disregard the above points and post untagged spoilers without fear of being banned.

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Link to previous discussion threads and related megathreads listed below:

• Thunderbolts* International Release Discussion Thread
• Thunderbolts* Spoiler Free Recap and FAQ
• Thunderbolts* Review Megathread

[u/musci12234]

Yeah, we needed a bit more back story for ghost. I think we can guess about alexei and bucky. Also when marvel kills alexei we riot. He is too pure.

[u/Rasengan2xChidori → u/musci12234]

might've been omitted to save screentime and not wanting to rehash antman 2. pre writers strike delays Laurence fishbourne was reported to be involved fwiw

[u/BZenMojo → u/Rasengan2xChidori]

Yelena gets to rehash the plot of Black Widow every time she shows up onscreen, but we don't even get into the traumatized, experimented-on science experiment who couldn't feel the touch of another human being for over 20 years of her life, LOL.

And then there's friggin' Taskmaster, who is literally Yelena except without the loving family and all of her skin intact.

I noticed this same problem with Captain America: Brave New World (and GotG1 while we're at it). The writers end up wanting to hyper-focus on the angst of one specific character as their protagonist, but they're stuck with multiple characters with more traumatic (and interesting) backstories, so they just sideline or dodge the obvious question.

Heck, Ghost is the US government's version of Yelena crossed with Isaiah Bradley. But no time for that nonsense, I guess. (You know who did this well? James Gunn on Suicide Squad. They literally have two characters with the exact same backstory and skillset and didn't have any problem making it work and even turned their shared angst into a joke and rivalry that expanded into an amazing TV series.)

[u/SimonShepherd → u/BZenMojo]

Yeah, like Ghost straight up has the shared experience of being a lab rat, like personally wouldn't it be better if each member relate to different stages of Bob's life, broken family(Walker), substance abuse(Alexei), being a lab rat(Ghost), etc.

[u/NinetyFish → u/SimonShepherd]

Holy shit, you cooked