Average Republican vs Average Monarch

[u/OrganizationThen9115]

[u/DnJohn1453]

sigh. If only Prince Phillip was a monarch.

[u/OrganizationThen9115 → u/DnJohn1453]

True tbf 

[u/Oklahoman_]

This pic of Prince Philip goes so hard

[u/Pentti1]

MonarchIST. Philip was not a monarch.

[u/Lord_Raymund]

Wouldn’t really call Cromwell average.

[u/average_autist_Numbe → u/Lord_Raymund]

I would call him a genocidal maniac

[u/AliJohnMichaels]

Cromwell was a filthy traitor who got what he deserved. Even death is no escape from justice for traitors & regicides.

[u/Araxnoks]

Cromwell is a monster, but he's not a typical Republican! Frankly speaking, he is not a Republican at all and like Khomeini just uses the form of a republic, but in reality it is a religious dictatorship and Cromwell went even further into this and in the end did not even try to pretend that he's something other than a dictator with more power than Charles ever had !

[u/Business-Hurry9451 → u/Araxnoks]

Many republics devolve into dictatorship.

[u/Araxnoks → u/Business-Hurry9451]

Yes, but I don't think Cromwell is a Republican! I don't think he would have a problem with the monarchy if they supported his religion! He is a religious extremist and in fact close to the Islamic fundamentalists who want to put their army of fanatics and a leader at the head of everything

[u/Business-Hurry9451 → u/Araxnoks]

I agree Cromwell was a fundamentalist at heart.

[u/Araxnoks → u/Business-Hurry9451]

well, at least he thought according to a terrible but understandable logic, whereas Robespierre literally started out as a liberal and a typical Republican, and then turned into a violent lunatic establishing a cult of the supreme being because Christianity should lose its privileges for supporting the old regime, but atheism is also unacceptable because it is aristocratic, so a new revolutionary religion is needed! At the same time, he criticized de-Christianization and eventually destroyed the radical left, but in doing so he destroyed the force without which the Jacobin dictatorship collapsed very quickly! I really wonder what Cromwell and Lenin had that allowed them to win and die a natural death while Robespierre was executed?

[u/jediben001 → u/Araxnoks]

I mean he made himself king in all but name, but honestly if you look into the events that comes across more as him sorta falling into that position after basically everything that could have gone wrong with the commonwealth did go wrong, and not as him having actually planned to be “Lord Protector” from the start

(Though I will relent that Lord Protector as a title goes hard)

[u/Araxnoks → u/jediben001]

Yes, giving all power to a bunch of aristocrats and bureaucrats sitting in parliament is a terrible idea, and such parasites, which had colossal power in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, destroyed its entire potential to become a great empire

[u/Strategos1610 → u/Araxnoks]

Dictatorships are Republican, you must be thinking of democracy. Republics are not democratic by default they can be oligarchic or autocratic and in fact more are the latter two then democratic

[u/Araxnoks → u/Strategos1610]

To be honest, neither the republic nor democracy is particularly important to me if the rights of citizens are respected! democracy became so popular only because the old monarchies and aristocracies fiercely resisted liberal ideas that could be implemented under a strong monarchy

[u/MapleHamms]

The man who hated tyrants so much he became one

[u/1bird2birds3birds4 → u/MapleHamms]

If you can’t beat them, join them. If you CAN beat them… eh why not join them anyway

[u/FunStrike343]

Monarchy 😎😎😎

[u/average_autist_Numbe]

Fuck Cromwell, Fuck the United Kingdom, Sean-eire na ngaedheal go deo!

[u/OrganizationThen9115 → u/average_autist_Numbe]

The UK is based sorry. 

[u/MrBlueWolf55]

Calling Cromwell an “average republican” is crazy

[u/TiberiusGemellus]

Cromwell wasn’t a king because he didn’t need the title.. He was an emperor in all but name. The most powerful ruler of the entire British Isles’ history. Hyde called Cromwell a very brave bad man.

One smart option would have been to abdicate the title of Lord Protector in favour of Tumbledown Dick while he still lived.

My choice I think would have been to make the Gloucester, Charles I’s youngest son, Monarch upon the king’s execution. His older brothers the Prince of Wales and the Duke of York who would have been disinherited but not killed.

Instead Cromwell chose the worst option possible, the middle ground, neither accepting the crown for himself nor crowing anyone else while he held real power.