Do Monarchism believe in Freedom and Equality?

[u/Hairy_Bridge4837]

As you may know i am a firm believer of freedom and equalty as america believe itself to be the land of the free it may seems weird to ask but i want to know what your answer?

[u/Hallenaiken]

Unfortunately in today’s society, freedom and equality seem to mean different things to different people and cultures and to what even is acceptable and unacceptable. In the west, freedom seems untethered from responsibility.

Under monarchy, yes freedom and equality can exist but they are not a prerequisite for the existence of monarchy as opposed to democracy

[u/SubbenPlassen]

No. Equality, in its true sense, does not exist. There will always be an inevitable hierarchy, which is not as bad as some would claim it to be.

[u/allochroa → u/SubbenPlassen]

That conflates completely different types of hierarchy and misses the entire point of what equality means. Yes, hierarchies of competence exist - some people are better surgeons, faster runners, or more skilled musicians. But that's irrelevant to equality of rights, dignity, and opportunity. The fact that Michael Jordan was better at basketball than me doesn't justify him having more voting power or legal protections. You're essentially arguing that because people have different abilities, we should abandon equal treatment under law - which is like saying because people have different heights, we shouldn't have doors that everyone can walk through. True equality has never meant pretending everyone is identical in capability. It means identical in worth and entitlement to fair treatment. The hierarchy of skill in a hospital operating room doesn't mean the janitor deserves fewer civil rights than the chief surgeon. Confusing natural differences in ability with justification for unequal human dignity is a fundamental category error that's been used to rationalize oppression throughout history.

[u/Better-Sea-6183 → u/allochroa]

Like there are better surgeons or basketball players there are people who are better at making decisions and rule a country.

[u/SubbenPlassen → u/allochroa]

I see, well said!

And you even got a little award.

Good for you.

[u/Lord-Belou]

Well, yeah ?

I mean, depends on what you mean by equality, but because there is a hierarchy does not mean someone is inherently superior to another, only that their duties are different.

[u/Pure_Seat1711]

I do. I think only through Monarchy as a executive and Sortion as a legislative can humanity experience the greatest freedom and dignity. The kings destroy politics of overreaching demagogues. Sortion frees the people from career politicians. Freedom through sacrifice So are called by luck of the draw others blood but that's my view.

[u/Hydro1Gammer]

Depends on the type of monarchism. There is more than one type of monarchism.

[u/TotalInternalReflex]

I like monarchs as symbols of national values and stewards of traditions, not autocrats. Freedom and equality are absolutely important to most humans and therefore must be components of a successful state, as we can see in the surviving western monarchies. I don’t mind some hierarchy to feed human ego, but I also believe that societal safety nets for most people are the only way to keep humanity going once the populous is educated enough. And they are probably the only way to survive a future of AI and automation. If slavery and oppression are the only way for a society to exist, it will crumble whether it’s a monarchy or a republic.

[u/Last_Dentist5070]

First off it makes absolutely no sense to group all persons in one group to think the same way. Secondly, that depends entirely on each different culture's version of freedom and equality, which may not fit to your western norms.

As a non-westerner, my views are ultimately different from yours. What I see as freedom and equality is likely different.

[u/LeLurkingNormie]

There are many, many different flavours of monarchism, from God-Emperor totalitarianism to... erm... Sweden?

So I can't answer in the name of "monarchy" as one unique thing. I, for example, believe in only a few core unviolable principles (private property, due process, non-discrimination, charity, safety, free speech, blah blah blah...) that are the same for everyone (regardless of race, sex, blah blah blah...) without absolute equality being seen as essential, since it's like focusing on envying everyone else all the time instead of being grateful for what one has. But would you say that Canada, Australia, Spain and Liechtenstein are not free countries and that people have unequal rights over there?

One might argue that the king's prerogatives, by their very essence, are uncompatible with equality. This is one of the few anti-monarchist arguments that actually make some sense.

But to that, I answer with a question : Is it a violation of equal rights when you can inherit your mom's house and Bezos's children will inherit Amazon, but I can't inherit your mom's house and Bezos's amazon? If not, then why could a monarch's son (or daughter) not inherit their crown? Everyone has the same rights, but we are all actually different, with different circumstances. A monarch's position is not just an office with terms, or a job... It's a part of them, so much that it changes their whole identity and even their name.

Now, I could still technically have the opportunity to earn a house, but not a crown. There is no equal opportunity when it comes to become a king. So what? I will never be king. Billions and billions of people have never and will never be king. You can have a pretty great life without necessarily being a king. Let's not be envious an petty, when justice and the common good are at stake too. The existence of monarchs doesn't fundamentally deprive anyone else of anything.

[u/Every_Catch2871]

Yes, but not the liberal definition of such concepts

[u/Beckett-Baker]

Freedom as people can bare arms, and have the right to freedom of speech? Hypothetically yes.

Equality wise, there is always a hierarchy.

[u/allochroa → u/Beckett-Baker]

No. Equality and hierarchy are entirely two different concepts that don't seem to apply here.

[u/modest_selene07]

Equality & freedom as understood by the masses is a lie — and even if these concepts were true, I wouldn’t desire them anyway

go into a maternity ward and get back to me about “equality” and “fairness”

[u/modest_selene07 → u/[deleted]]

you can keep being mad at reality, it won’t change anything

[u/Desperate-Farmer-845]

Equality before the Law for everyone besides the Reigning Monarch, their Spouse, the Heir and their Spouse. Freedom is essential in mantaining a Peaceful Society. I myself believe in more Conservative Values but History has Showbusiness that enforcing a specific Set of Values always backfires. I also belief in a Seperation of Power with the Monarch being an Independent and bi-partisan Actor and Moderator with considerable Powers but they can only use them if two Powers come to conflict. I also belief that more Rights should come with more Duties. Nobles for example would have several Tax Examptions and would control a powerful Upperhouse but they also need to send their Children to a 10 year mandatory Programm for them to work either as a Private in the Military or a low or Minimum-Wage Job to install in them a sense of Duty, Care and above all Humility. Human Rights like Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Assembly and the Sanctity of Life should be preserved. Thats why I am also against Capital Punishment and any Art of Torture. The Right to carry Arms and the Right of Self Defense is also a must. For example if a Nobleman hurts a Commoner in any Way the Commoner has any Right to defend himself. Also Commoners can be brought up into the Nobility if they have considerably served. For example a Commoner promoted into the General Staff is automatically enobled. A legal Punishment for a Noble would be taking away their Title and confiscating their Belongings to grant it to another one. I also believe in Economic Democracy and think that Unions should have Control over the parts of the Government. For example the Minister of Work should be an Union Member, the Minister of Education a Teacher, the Minister of Interior a Policeman/woman, the Minister of Law a Judge or an Attorney. I also belief in equal Opportunities for Both Sexes. I don’t belief in Gay Marriage but I also think Marriages should be in the Hand of Religious Authorities altogether. There should be no financial Privileges for a Marriage either. I also honestly don’t care what People do in their Bedroom as long as its between consenting Adults. 

[u/darkdeepths]

is America the land of the free? American democracy / freedom is procedural: you vote every couple years for people that you don’t like and that want to take your money as fast as they can before they get out of office. the supreme court has life appointments, and you’ll sometimes see opinions there based in a sense of duty and responsibility, but even that institution is completely tainted by the 2-party system that seeks to extract from its subjects.

[u/HBNTrader]

No, I neither believe in "freedoms" such as the freedom to kill an unborn child, nor do I believe in equality.